Branners Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 #Moderation Mode copied to technical to allow discussion to continue Moved here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Wall Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Now this is in the right place! Thanks John To continue. Took the front wheels off last night, checked the slots all round the disc with a needle file, apart from very light surface rust all the slots were clean. If my problem it heat related, then the only thing left causing cooling problems is the protector plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:16 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supragirl Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 OUR Supra Service Manual states, that the maximum hub run out should be no more than 0.05mm and that the disc run-out should not exceed 0.05mm when mounted on the hub. So how come you ended up with 0.08mm?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:16 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 10:14 pm on Mar. 10, 2002[br] For clarity; New brakes 0.05mm Existing brakes OK limit 0.08mm Existing brakes (gotta go) 0.15mm (Edited by Mycroft at 10:16 pm on Mar. 10, 2002) What a load of Bollox!!!! So are you telling us that the Toyota service department would work to looser specifications than the home mechanic ? i.e. the guy working from the Toyota supplied TRSM. I don't think so. Dual standards in a TQM company like Toyota doesn't really wash. Are you sure these specifcations are for a Supra and not a Soarer ? If so i'd love to see a scan of the relevant page. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supragirl Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Quote: from Martin F on 10:22 pm on Mar. 10, If so i'd love to see a scan of the relevant page. Cheers I'll second that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:17 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supragirl Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Tell me Mycroft have you ever worked in the Service Department of a Toyota dealership?? Just curious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:17 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradb Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 I'll get me coat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supragirl Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 I take no offence to your posts. Anybody can come on this BBS and spout a load of BS. But what you are saying does differ to the Supra Service Manual, so lets just see your proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradb Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 More tea vicar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Well, what Mycroft is saying makes sense to me! If the customer has work done, he expects it to be perfect (or as near as dammit), hence the low fitting tolerance. Having a set tolerance for "These brake discs may give you problems now or in the future" and "these brakes discs are now dangerous" also seems like a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Anyway...... When are these brakes being ordered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 10:34 pm on Mar. 10, 2002[br]I will ignore the outburst. It is not three standards, there are however standards for recommendations to replace, the initial work is carried out to the highest possible standard as part of the BS9002, then when your car comes in for a service and you need new pads, the service should include a run-out check, the run-out check is on an existing piece of kit, you are probably very happy with that piece of kit apart from the pads being worn the piece of kit is just fine, but he will check it and to justify his recommendation the figures I have given you are what he uses to persuade you that although 'Sir' finds everything OK at the moment the brake discs are wearing unevenly and that perhaps at the next service you would like to consider replacing them, or if they are at that 'top' figure, 'Your discs warped Sir, we feel it is for your own safety that we replace them now' Have you never had this sort of thing done to you, with Toyota they are one of the few where the SM has to append his readings for appraisal by Head Office when the QA audit is done. You must try harder to be civil. What outburst ? I was just expressing my opinion. BS9002 now there's an interesting standard.....................it's actually ISO9002 now superseeded by an ISO2000 or 2001 standard, however in this case maybe we should use a BS standard. These standards do not guarantee quality, they imply that the organisations have the correct procedures in place to provide a quality service, whether they actually do or not is another matter. Anyway i don't think there are many Toyota service departments that have ISO approval. Particularly not if their SM's have to forge readings before appraisals\audits. You will know when i am not being civil. I think you have added some good info to this BBS, but i'm afraid on this point i do not agree with you and as yet you have not provided any documentation or references to prove your point. If you can then i am sure we will all benefit from the additional knowledge. As it reads now you are saying that there is a documented fudge factor for Toyota tech's which i find hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:18 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Obtuse ........... LMAO, no i am just trying to be accurate. Forgery, falsifying figures was implied in your previous post. I quote 'with Toyota they are one of the few where the SM has to append his readings for appraisal by Head Office when the QA audit is done.' If the job was done to spec the first time around then there would be no need for the SM to append his figures. Nobody is asking for you to visit us with your dial gauge (some of us are capable of measuring our own runouts), all we(I) are asking for is something even simpler. All we(I) would like to see is the documented info from this mythical Supra service guide that allegedly sates 'if disc/hub combined run-out exceeds 0.08mm (0.003in) the customer should be advised that replacement is recommended, if run-out exceeds 0.15mm (0.006in) the units must be replaced.' However your inability to provide this documentation can only lead me to suspect that it does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:18 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Quote: from Matt Harwood on 11:18 pm on Mar. 10, 2002[br]Anyway...... When are these brakes being ordered? we, there is only u and me so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Quote: from Mycroft on 1:16 pm on Mar. 11, 2002[br] I have the Supra WSM manual for 1993 it is in Kanji but the numbers are Metric and inches, if you have a different figure, please tell me what it is. it is quite catagoric, 0.05mm (max) Quote: from Mycroft on 9:01 pm on Mar. 10, 2002[br]No, I think Matts problem may be heat related, but yours Phil is definately run-out, the Supra Service Guide states, that 'if disc/hub combined run-out exceeds 0.08mm (0.003in) the customer should be advised that replacement is recommended, if run-out exceeds 0.15mm (0.006in) the units must be replaced. What exactly are you saying here Mycroft ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR Racing Posted March 11, 2002 Author Share Posted March 11, 2002 Ummmm.. So what happened to the full UK Brake deal guys???? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mycroft Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 (Edited by Mycroft at 4:19 pm on Mar. 12, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradb Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Straight in with the old 'double' double' double' bluff... I've seen that tactic effectively used by Bugs Bunny. Good work fella (Edited by Bradb at 6:00 pm on Mar. 11, 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipfinger Posted March 11, 2002 Share Posted March 11, 2002 Brad, I think I love you. In a manly platonic way, you understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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