SamuraiFlash Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 My Bilsteins should work well with Eibachs, buty they are too low at the front. I can machine them with a higher seat groove to raise the front 10 or 15 mm, if you like. They are 165 each plus VAT with my custom valving and an extra groove. Teins are total junk, internally. So are HSD's as bad as the Tein SS internally? I am looking to replace my stock suspension, my car is exclusively for road use. I am interested in the HSD's as they have been getting really good feedback from members, and Paul at Whiffbitz has them for a really good price. I really like the stock ride height, so what should I go for? HSD's or Bilstein's with stock springs? BTW my car is an NA-TT, and I have the NA black suspension n at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Internally they are not as sophisticated as the Bilstein Sports, but they do give ride height adjustability out of the box, and have a rather sporty look with their glossy finish. How HSD's will last long term I don't know, but I can say I have Bilstein Sports on cars that have used them for well over 150,000 miles and they neither knock nor leak, and still damp effectively. Personally I think 75% of MKIV's are riding too low to handle even remotely correctly, but the "look" is all important over function to many owners nowadays. I can build Bilsteins to give adjustable height, but the cheap way of doing it involves removing them from the car to adjust them. The expensive way would mean I sell very few sets, only hard core track users like Wes buy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraiFlash Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Thanks for the feedback Chris, I respect your opinions so its apprecated. If I didn't have to spend money on other things on my car that needs replacing then I would have gone for a set of Bilsteins off yourself. I don't like my car too low, I like the NA stock ride hight, its just right for me. What ever suspension I went for would be adjusted to be the same height as my stock NA setup. I may just go for a set of HSD's for now, until i can afford to buy a set of your revalved Bilstein's. I only drive my car for 3k-5k a year, so if I can get 3-4 years out of the HSD's then i wouldn't be too disappointed with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) If you looking for a coilover setup then the HSD is the better option. The cheeper then tein and as I sure cris Wilson will point out the internal valve systems for the dampers are the same. So might as well save a bit of cash and go for HSD. I really should read the hole thread first as mr Wilson has already put his thoughts across Edited March 2, 2011 by fastcar (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazil Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) Chris, are you able to re-build a set of Tein SS with better internal parts? Edited March 2, 2011 by Brazil (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 No, sorry, can't get bits for them. Tein have a UK service centre, apparently, but my feedback suggests what they can do is very limited. How much they charge I have no idea, but average re seal costs for the dampers I CAN get stuff for varies from £70 to £120 each. http://www.tein.co.uk/ I would be interested to know what they say, and if they can't rebuild yours just what models they CAN rebuild. I can re gas with nitrogen dampers that use a Schraedar valve and a membrane valve, and can do a limited range of dampers that use a muff for re gassing. A lot of Teins are not even gas filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 My Bilsteins should work well with Eibachs, buty they are too low at the front. I can machine them with a higher seat groove to raise the front 10 or 15 mm, if you like. They are 165 each plus VAT with my custom valving and an extra groove. Teins are total junk, internally. Can you PM me a price (or post it up here, your choice) for one of your suspension setups please? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 £1280 plus VAT fitted and the geo all set up to suit. Reluctant supply only at £960 plus VAT. Your intended usage of the car can be taken into account when the springs and dampers are chosen. Boulevard ride, fast road, or semi race / track day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentAgro Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 so £1536 all done? Tbh. That isn't too bad, as I'm sure they would be perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I have fitted loads over the years, I am sure there will be plenty of independent opinion, for the cost they make a good and reliable setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 £1280 plus VAT fitted and the geo all set up to suit. Reluctant supply only at £960 plus VAT. Your intended usage of the car can be taken into account when the springs and dampers are chosen. Boulevard ride, fast road, or semi race / track day. Which of those does the setting for my dampers come under Chris - 'fast road'? Has the work for ride height etc. already been done or will you be doing that during the time you have the car? I have an active spoiler lip to go on the front, thats all; it'll be in the fixed down position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Yours are fadt road / mild track day settings. Snything stiffer for more serious track usage will be very harsh on the road and a skittish in the wet. You can give me an idea what height you want it at, but if you say "LOW" it'll eat tyres and drive like dog I will just do as I am told though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Excellent - don't want harshness, trying to make it into a comfortable and pleasurable car to drive We'll have a look at the height when I get down there then but I'm not after 'LOW' so don't need to worry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 if you say "LOW" i'll eat tyres and growl like dog Whatever turns you on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraiFlash Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Chris how much are a set of standart Bilsteins shocks and standart springs? Edited March 3, 2011 by SamuraiFlash (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 No idea about the Toyota prices. The Bilsteins I sell are built in Germany, not under licence in Japan by Toyota, and have better valving inside. They are currently about £115 plus VAT each, but the price is volatile and alters quite a lot, usually upwards I have never bought any new stock springs, probably about 100 each at a guess, but who knows with Toyota . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraiFlash Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) No idea about the Toyota prices. The Bilsteins I sell are built in Germany, not under licence in Japan by Toyota, and have better valving inside. They are currently about £115 plus VAT each, but the price is volatile and alters quite a lot, usually upwards I have never bought any new stock springs, probably about 100 each at a guess, but who knows with Toyota . Oh ok that is a better price than Toyota So if I bought a set of these standard Bilstein's from yourself and put them on my Supra with a set of standard NA spring's, will my car sit at the same height as my current set up. BTW my car is an NA-TT, hence why I am in need of upgrading my suspension, however i like the ride height and would like to keep it that way. P.S. do you refurb used Bilstein's, if so how much do you charge? I apologise for all these question's Edited March 3, 2011 by SamuraiFlash (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 The Bilstein Sport dampers have s lightly lower spring seat, but I can easily machine a higher seat to match the Toyota ones, I do it all the time. What are on it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraiFlash Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 My car na-tt currently has stock jspec suspension, the black shocks. Will there be an extra charge for reseating them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I have all the dimensions to make the Bilsteins work to the same ride height. No charge if you buy 4 dampers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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