mathew Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 im 26 now and over the past 6 years ive had a numbing pain in my right knee on and off, mainly in cold damp weather. it hasnt been bad just a bit niggly so havnt taken it so seriously but a few weeks ago it got really bad and i found it really difficult to walk normal for a few days. my mom has got athritis and her mom so not sure if its hereditory (sp). also my right knee clicks and grinds a lot when, say for example, im walking up the stairs. im going to go to the docs about it but cant for another few weeks due to commitments etc and was wondering are there any other sufferers here and if so what do they do to ease the discomfort? ive tried painkillers but they never seem to work no matter wether i have a head ache or joint pains. the worse thing is is that ive got a 3 hour drive home in a few hours and i know my knee is gona be in pieces by the time i get home. im pretty sure there isnt an actual cure for arthritis so i could be looking at years of this discomfort:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Sorry to hear this fella. Good move to go down to your GP. Do you do lots of sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 play hardly any sports these days but during my teens i was into all the alternative sports i.e skateboarding, bmx, skating etc and took a few heavy knocks on the knees. durig my apprenticeship (bricklaying) id see the older folk wearing knee pads and think wtf and they always used to advise me to wear them aswell but never did. half the time id be kneeling on a damp scaffold board or concrete. im off the tools now and office based so less stress on the old knees but the pian is still there none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Maybe wait to see what doc says, and possibly ask if you can be referred on to a specialist (GP's are great, but they are there for general bumps/grinds/aches/pains unless they are really good - depending on how lucky you are these guys/girls can be hard to find) and get some support for the aching bits (sport supports perhaps). How are your feet? Are you a tall chap? - a friend of mine 6'3"+ was suffering terrible with similar symptoms and he went to see a guy about his feet and got some professionally made/prescribed inserts for his shoes - the guy runs bloody marathons now with these inserts!!! Totally transformed him from a daily acher to a 14-30mile runner (wish some simple inserts would work for me like that ). As for when and where arthritis can strike.... I went to junior school with a kid suffering from it! (a bit extreme granted, but can happen - depends on the type/underlying cause). What is the popular supplement these days for joints other than cod liver oil? Something along the lines of glucosamine phosphate (I haven't looked into the efficacy of such things, but some folk swear by them). Don't despair, you are still young! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 What is the popular supplement these days for joints other than cod liver oil? Something along the lines of glucosamine phosphate (I haven't looked into the efficacy of such things, but some folk swear by them). Glocosamine sulphate 1200mg, Chondrotin 600mg & Cod liver oil 1000mg. Works well for my old bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I am 30 and been getting pains for the last 3 years. My dad suffers from arthritis so probably in the family. Recently i have been getting it in my wrist/ankle/fingers/lower back and shoulder but have had bad knees for a long time, bumping and grinding like snoop dog on heat! It is at it's worst in the cold and damp weather and can get painfull at times and wake up very stiff in the mornings so need to loosen up a bit. Herbal remedy seems the way forward for the pain if u know what i mean. When i was in greece and spain did not have a single ache or pain so think the british weather plays a big part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Glocosamine sulphate 1200mg, Chondrotin 600mg & Cod liver oil 1000mg. Works well for my old bones Themz the magic runez I think I should start taking these various bits n bobs, my folks seem to swear by them Starting to creak around the edges, so snake oil can't hurt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Snake oil! u serious, which one is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 ive taken on board the sugestions here and will defo be investing in a support along with some cod liver oil and the like. r.e sdavies: im 6ft 2 and my feet are fine....so far. it is just my knee at the moment. it could be down to other problems, maybe my feet, and i just dont know it yet. il see if the gp can referre me to a specialist. a chap in work had,what he described as, crystals injected into the joint. it worked for him he said but the pain and discomfort of the actual injection was not worth it in his opinion for the short term relief it gave and there are limtations on how many sessions you can have with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 ive taken on board the sugestions here and will defo be investing in a support along with some cod liver oil and the like. r.e sdavies: im 6ft 2 and my feet are fine....so far. it is just my knee at the moment. it could be down to other problems, maybe my feet, and i just dont know it yet. il see if the gp can referre me to a specialist. a chap in work had,what he described as, crystals injected into the joint. it worked for him he said but the pain and discomfort of the actual injection was not worth it in his opinion for the short term relief it gave and there are limtations on how many sessions you can have with it. It may be something simple so try not to worry about it. Get a specialist to check out your footwear, walking style etc. I have had a knee issues in the past when running 10 miles a day. It turned out to be down to my trainers, the air bubble in my old nikes had burst causing my foot to rock from side to side on impact giving me the knee pain. New trainers and a bit of rest solved the issue and i continued to run long distances without pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 The weather thing is down to changes in pressure not necessarily temperature. Cant remember which way round it is but if the weather fluctuates between high and low pressures it alters the pressure inside our joints. In a normal healthy joint it isnt a problem, but in conditions like arthritis, the joints are being constantly irritated and produce swelling inside the joints, this is therefore affected by the changes in pressure. Is the pain worse when coming down stairs by any chance, rather than upstairs? If this is the case then my guess is you have a slight wearing of the underside of your kneecap. This would fit in with the whole "not wearing knee pads at work" and the type of sports you were in to years ago. tbh a referal to a specialist isnt needed at this stage. They wont even consider an injection at this stage due to your age and all they would do is refer to see a physio. You may as well cut ou the middle man (and lots of time on a waiting list) and ask your GP for the referal straight to physio. Although this condition wont be seen as urgent so you would go on the physio waiting list. Different areas are different times, ours is currently 6 weeks which isnt actually that bad *laughs* You may get some relief with the physio as strengthening the joint, and a small muscle in particular called Vastus Medialis Obliques (VMO) can support the knee cap a bit better and relieve some of the pain. Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flipper Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 ...live in the sauna/steam room mate...I do ...Im 35 and have arthritis in the spine,knees and neck for 6 years...you will need a n x-ray or scan to confirm this and blood tests...... dont have injections and dont take ibuprofen as they are shit..... Watch your weight(low BMI) and strengthen your knee up(QUADS)...DONT have injections ever....just keeping moving but minimise impact and heavy stress through them...swimming and cycling+++++ I know this as had ops done... I am a chronic pain sufferer and a State Registered Paramedic for 13 years and have a load of qualifications to degree level in Biology both Human and plant:D If you want to know about drug therapy and getting help off your GP...give us a bell...I have seen them all and took them ALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I am sorry to say fella that it sounds just like the way my knees started, ie seasonally/weather painful, but it has now got to the point where i have nearly constant discomfort/pain, my only recourse is joint replacement:( Edit, and unfortunately for some and me:( Glucosamine etc doesn't seem to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Glocosamine sulphate 1200mg, Chondrotin 600mg & Cod liver oil 1000mg. Works well for my old bones Well advised. Glucosamine has now been used since the early 1980's to treat many people with mild arthritis. Its naturally produced by our bodies (amino) and is essential to our ligaments and joint cartilage by the way. Tis good stuff, but quality does vary, so try and purchase from a reputable company. Such as Reflex nutrition which is an excellent british company that doesnt over-hype its products and are a trusted source. http://www.ukcheapsupplements.co.uk/index.php?target=products&product_id=29804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 How about some sam-e? http://www.sam-e.co.uk has some adverts for buying the stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 How about some sam-e? http://www.sam-e.co.uk has some adverts for buying the stuff I wouldnt personally recommend this. Look into S-adenosyl-homocysteine (another naturally produced amino derivative) which is what SAM-E converts to. There are reports on this stuff with many experiencing negative side effects such as vomiting, anxiety and diarrhea to name just a few. Longer term side effects have yet to be established on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I wouldnt personally recommend this. Look into S-adenosyl-homocysteine (another naturally produced amino derivative) which is what SAM-E converts to. There are reports on this stuff with many experiencing negative side effects such as vomiting, anxiety and diarrhea to name just a few. Longer term side effects have yet to be established on this. My favourite dude (David Pearce) likes the stuff, and all I've ever heard is good stuff about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sameart.html Could SAMe provide an alternative? In a dozen clinical trials involving more than 22,000 patients, researchers have found SAMe as effective as pharmaceutical treatments for pain and inflammation. But unlike the NSAIDs, SAMe shows no sign of damaging the digestive tract. And instead of speeding the breakdown of cartilage, SAMe may help restore it. You'll recall that after giving up its methyl group, SAMe becomes homocysteine, which can be broken down to form glutathione (the antioxidant) or remethylated to form methionine (the precursor to SAMe). As luck would have it, the reactions that produce glutathione also yield molecules called sulfate groups, which help generate those joint-sparing proteoglycans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Snake oil! u serious, which one is it? Apologies for the confusion - in western society it is kind of a term to denote something that is used and nobody quite knows if it works/how it works/psycho somatic or real benefits/smoke and mirrors. Not sure if it derives from confidence scammers/tricksters from the old west who would go from town to town selling their products as a way to cure just about anything - usually derived from "snake oil" - not sure if they pinched the idea from the Chinese for the use of snake oil in this instance. Traditionally mind the Chinese have a joint pain remedy derived from certain snake oils (again unsure of efficacy or what poor snakes and which bit they got the oil from ). Slightly misplaced here as it was meant tongue in cheek and I wasn't REALLY calling into doubt any of the above Edit: Actually not a million miles wrong, but there is a possible nice article explaining the whole snake oil phenomena: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n boost Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 LOL! i thought u were for real! Psycho somatic works for a lot of people having been told that this will make u better when it don't do nothing at all but u feel better anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axle Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 My favourite dude (David Pearce) likes the stuff, and all I've ever heard is good stuff about it. I dont know D. Pearce nor do i care for what he likes tbh. I am sure his a great bloke though. Fact is without getting too technical about things, i have been around in the powerlifting circle for a long time and used to religiously read on all things to do with the body, amino acids, vitamins and complications to the CNS (Central nervous system) that certain 'supplements' have from the age of 12 years old before i took up the sport at 15. Its like someone trying to recommend a relatively unknown entity which for argument sake, has been known to offer the same effects as Vitamin C but with many more risk factors and reported side effects. Why do it? - Because certain consumer pressures and greed says so. Same goes for 99% of 'supplements' on the market. I do feel for thoe who dont have the knowledge and are easily led. Thats not a dig at you Carlos, but at the general public who dont know better. The advertisers for these products are hugely convincing. I am not a novice when it comes to this kind of thing. It was my passion once. Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, i could have competed professionally in the world strongman circles, however i refused to subject myself to certain cultural pressures within the game that requires one to be genetically modified shall we say. Just for referance me at 21. This is why, when somthing puts peoples health at risk, it gets on my goaty, and being a good citizen i try deter people from going down that route from their lack of knowledge By the way Carlos, the link you provided in evidence of SamE is actually an advertisement FOR the product, and even in that i found an interesting quote from the advert as follows... Unfortunately, there is no convincing evidence that SAMe can make healthy people happier or more mobile than they already are Kind of contradicts the reason they are trying to promote the product no?... God bless, Axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Just skim reading at the moment, but taking it from the bottom: Unfortunately, there is no convincing evidence that SAMe can make healthy people happier or more mobile than they already are Kind of contradicts the reason they are trying to promote the product no?... The key word there, is healthy people. Biopsychiatry.com/BLTC is very much oriented towards elevating the moods of what are currently accepted as happy/healthy/normal people ("the hedonistic imperative"). However in this case we are talking about the product's efficacy for helping people who are unhealthy, and there seems to be a lot of evidence to suggest it works well to bring unhealthy people back to "normal" (standard) health. What's being said in the quote above is that if you're not suffering depression, or joint or liver problems, it appears that it won't make you happier or stronger or more resilient. I am not telling anyone to go and take SAM-e. I am just suggesting it as another thing to look into and consider. It's quite a popular supplement from all accounts and the only problem worth worrying about has always been its price. The site I linked to, the second one, isn't an advert from what I can see, and it ends on a sort of "you probably don't need SAM-e" note anyway, so I wouldn't discount the article's honesty so readily: "But for most people the problem is undermethylation of homocysteine." In other words, many of us could arm ourselves against low moods, bad joints and weak hearts simply by upping our intake of B vitamins. That may sound less exciting than taking a miracle supplement. But with luck, it could keep you from ever needing one. The first site was of course an advert, which is why I said "You can buy it from one of the adverts on this page." That's my page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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