CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't know anything about the smoking method shown but as it involves tobacco then I assume it is harmful. Why can't people accept the laws of the land? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7188402.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I saw this on the news last night but found myself hypnotised by the ladies beard so didn't really listen to the story. I presume they will thrown some kind of racism thing into it at some point and say it's removing their cultural rights. The thing is they also do a range of tobacco free options there so could probably get away with doing that: http://www.markaz-shisha.co.uk/index2.htm I like this one too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/7188478.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Is that a women in that picture? with a beard. She should apply for phones 4 U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I like this comment. Customers have also criticised the law. One said: "We Muslims don't go night-clubbing or to bars and pubs. "Shisha is one of the few ways we can have a nice sociable night out with our friends." And this is our problem you do not do that? there are plenty tea total non smokers that still go out clubbing/pubbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Interesting... Markaz does not permit the smoking of cigarettes in the Shisha Lounge. Please do not spoil the fragrantly sweet and aromatic confines of the lounge. I like this comment. And this is our problem you do not do that? there are plenty tea total non smokers that still go out clubbing/pubbing. Strange... when I've been out in Bradford in the past the clubs have been full of "locals" (I won't presume they are muslim) drinking soft drinks, enjoying the music, ganging up in huge groups and intimidating people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Apparently the law applies to herbal tobacco, so I fail to see why this shouldn't fall under the ban too. We don't drink alcohol in countries where it is banned do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I saw this on the news last night but found myself hypnotised by the ladies beard so didn't really listen to the story. Yes, mesmerising... the ladies beard, or is it the lady's beard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Apparently the law applies to herbal tobacco, so I fail to see why this shouldn't fall under the ban too. We don't drink alcohol in countries where it is banned do we? Maybe Alcopops (sp) would be allowed under the same argument? I somehow doubt it eh? I also read on another forum that (and I quote): "...in islam 'technically' its makrooh to inhale any sort of substance". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 CJ, Being able to question the laws of the land is what makes England great. If we all blindly accept all laws placed before us, do you think it would benefit our society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 CJ, Being able to question the laws of the land is what makes England great. If we all blindly accept all laws placed before us, do you think it would benefit our society? I think there is a great difference between questioning and openly disregarding. Where do you suggest it stops then? If any of the various ethnic groups did not like a particular law should they be allowed the right to "question" and ignore it? Of course not, that's just plain silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 I just read (and subsequently stole) this from another forum. Un-PC? Of course. But, it made me chuckle! ... so there I was dressed like Osama Bin Laden in what I thought was a Shisha bar - when this waiter came up with a plate of raw fish, stubbed out my cig and threw me out - the miserable little Japanese git.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I like this one too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/7188478.stm I bet Makka Pakka was the other colleague in question, I've always thought there's something shifty about him. Why such an interest in rocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Doom Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I like this one too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventry_warwickshire/7188478.stm "In another incident he said he suffered a pelvic injury after being asked to bend over while wearing the suit." LMFAO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I also read on another forum that (and I quote): "...in islam 'technically' its makrooh to inhale any sort of substance". Maybe they should try avoiding oxygen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Maybe they should try avoiding oxygen.... Racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multics Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Let's not forget that the government imposed the smoke ban to reduce the risk of second hand smoke intoxicating innocent people right... Shisha bars are created and visited by people for that particular effect, smoking. I don't see any innocent non-smokers being intoxicated because they wouldn't go in there in the first place. So what's the big deal? This is another "heath and safety" exageration imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Let's not forget that the government imposed the smoke ban to reduce the risk of second hand smoke intoxicating innocent people right... Shisha bars are created and visited by people for that particular effect, smoking. I don't see any innocent non-smokers being intoxicated because they wouldn't go in there in the first place. So what's the big deal? This is another "heath and safety" exageration imo. I'd agree with that.... The next step will be banning cars because they output co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 loads of shisha bars on Edgeware road and slough nearly went out of business when the smoking ban was introduced, where room permited most of them did what the pubs do and had large canopies/outdoor areas with patio heaters and this solved their problem...I can understand though that since the sole purpose of Shisha bars is to go and have a smoke and it hasnt been proven to be harmful there may be an argument to raise this in the correct channels, disregarding the law to be frank is taking the piss! p.s. anyone tried a shisha? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Egyptian_Hookah.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 ...I also read on another forum that (and I quote): "...in islam 'technically' its makrooh to inhale any sort of substance". Is the above statement correct? Or is it open to interpretation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saboteur Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Can I just say... I am in a position to speak on this topic as I run a shisha business.. very prominant one. Luckily the ban didn't affect our business too much... but we lost much of our trade orders. Anyway, more to the point; the ban is an absolute joke! It's absurd to think that the government can just take the british peoples freedom away under their noses, coupled with shitty traffic laws, and everything else; this country is rapidly becoming uninhabitable. Now I'm NOT a smoker before you ask... Would you regularly visit a pub if you do not drink? THE ANSWER IS NO! So why the F--- should people visit a shisha bar if they do not smoke? It's called a SHISHA BAR for a reason. There is absolutely no grounding for enforcing this law at all. How will the second hand smoke effect any average person? They're all there to smoke, kill themselves, whatever.... thats upto them, it has NOTHING to do with the government. This really does need reviewing as I personally know peoples livelyhood has been taken away from them and there businesses. If you ask me, this is more then just a ban, I think there is something more sinister going on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saboteur Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Oh and CJ can I just clarify something. Smoking shisha has nothing to do with islam, it's a cultural activity. Islamically it's actually forbidden by the majority of scholars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 ...If you ask me, this is more then just a ban, I think there is something more sinister going on... I love conspiracy theories. Please elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Marsha Singh said: "The whole point of legislation was that smoking is harmful to health. No research has been done into this." Is Marsha really that thick?? Do firemen wear breathing aparatus for fun?? Is it not true that the majority of people who die in fires actualy die of smoke inhalation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Oh and CJ can I just clarify something. Smoking shisha has nothing to do with islam, it's a cultural activity. Islamically it's actually forbidden by the majority of scholars. That sounds quite contradictory to me. I have read that the majority of people who use shisha are Muslim and yet you say it is forbidden by Islam. Does that mean that any Muslim using shisha is breaking their own rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saboteur Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Marsha Singh said: "The whole point of legislation was that smoking is harmful to health. No research has been done into this." Is Marsha really that thick?? Do firemen wear breathing aparatus for fun?? Is it not true that the majority of people who die in fires actualy die of smoke inhalation?? Shisha smoke is NOT as harmful as your cigerette in most cases as the water in the bowl filters out alot of the harmful chemicals like tar, etc.. Contrary to popular misconception. If you smoke the herbal stuff, that has no tobacco in it whatsoever. Yes we know it's not gonna make you live another 100 years, but it's NOT the same as smoking cigerettes; nor are its effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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