lexsum Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'm sorry no one would pay 20k for a supra these days, the key word is 'estimated' in that sentance. A single car can sell for less then its worth but all of them are selling for a certain price then that is the price the market has dictated for it. I understand that the engine is only just run it at 150k but everything else on or in the car has also covered that amount of miles. There is no way that suspension bushes, bearings, dampeners interior etc can be in the same condition at 150k as they were at 70k. But point taken about how strong the engine is. Regarding the membership, I have to say I apologize for not signing up but its still not set in stone what car I am getting. I know what the current price is for a supra. The point is the price is low because of all the imports they are the supply that meets the demand. If they did not exist of were not available to the UK then the only supply for all of us would be the UK stock. With only this small number of cars and this large supra fan base the price would be a lot higher - geddit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tones Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Overpriced? if someone is willing to pay a few grand more for a clean car they really want then why not? Generally speaking im a firm believe in you get what u pay for but every so often u will come across a really kickass bargain maybe because the owner is stuck for cash etc etc but that doesnt mean "the market price is droppin dramatically". Its just the way it is. You can get some dogs with high miles in Japan aswell as the UK, but the low mile clean supras in Japan do NOT come cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I know what the current price is for a supra. The point is the price is low because of all the imports they are the supply that meets the demand. If they did not exist of were not available to the UK then the only supply for all of us would be the UK stock. With only this small number of cars and this large supra fan base the price would be a lot higher - geddit! Difference being of course is this---would the supra boom you are seeing now have happened if only the UK model was available. I'd hazard a guess that actually no the vehicle would not have become as cult as it is. A cult will not happen with only a stock of say 1 thousand cars and now some 14 years later that stock has been reduced somewhat. What has made and sustained interest in this car is its continued supply from the east (why bother lusting after a car you simply cannot buy?) Problem is you can't just switch this supply off just because the requirement is now overfed from the east and hence the prices are dropping. (and here we have another misconception as its actually now way cheaper to buy a UK sourced J-spec than import a supra). However to justify the remark no-one would pay £20k for a 14 year old jap car try buying a top conditon honda NSX and see what change you have from 20 grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT5500 Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 However to justify the remark no-one would pay £20k for a 14 year old jap car try buying a top conditon honda NSX and see what change you have from 20 grand. To the best of my knowledge I never tried to say that no one would pay 20k for a 14 year old jap car, I said no one would pay that for a supra. Like it or loath it the NSX is a much more highly regarded car around motoring circles (I am not saying better, so don't start), I am sorry whilst I love the supra and so does everyone here it was never really well recieved by the motoring world in general, it made an imprssion in its day but was quickly forgotten, the nsx is regarded as a living legend. Anyway I think this thread is now way off where it started from so I think we'll let it die now. For the record though I do not like the NSX and would rather have a supra, unless of course the NSX was free in which case I would sell it and buy a supra and have a pocket full of ££££'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 A Supra and an NSX, in their heyday, were very very different cars, both as to where they were aimed in the market place and technically. Anyone who has ever rebuilt an NSX engine will know just how advanced it was (and still is, really). How many have "escaped" from Japan as grey imports? Not very many, they still have an almost cult following over there. Only badge snobbery made it such a dismal failure over here, there must have been many a 9** family owner who rued the day that the badge overruled his heart, as it suffered the 4th head to liner seal failure, or other sundry fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chrisbirch Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 On the subject of supra prices and annoying newbies - can I butt in and ask for anyones opinion on the price of the red aero top at the top of this link. (I had a look and a drive of this at the weekend and must say it looked in very good nick) Surely could get a nice Jspec TT for that price! http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-87-4294966972-4294967173/search.action Oops next page. sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ady Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 On the subject of supra prices and annoying newbies - can I butt in and ask for anyones opinion on the price of the red aero top at the top of this link. (I had a look and a drive of this at the weekend and must say it looked in very good nick) Surely could get a nice Jspec TT for that price! http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-87-4294966972-4294967173/search.action Oops next page. sorry Prices are all over the place to be fair mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 As for their age, how many other 14 year old cars are still on the road chewing up tarmac at high leptons and putting a wicked smile on your face every time you go out and have luscious curves that turn many a head??? My 2p worth Linda x MR2's but they are older Still Toyota though Oh and 200sx's aren't half bad either. There are quite a few, mostly if not all japanese though hehe. Scott =op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 On the subject of supra prices and annoying newbies - can I butt in and ask for anyones opinion on the price of the red aero top at the top of this link. (I had a look and a drive of this at the weekend and must say it looked in very good nick) Surely could get a nice Jspec TT for that price! http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/TOYOTA+SUPRA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-87-4294966972-4294967173/search.action Oops next page. sorry A red, NA aerotop in advertised in December for 9k? Massively overpriced IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 You get what you pay for, you may find a good clean straight car with a seller utterly desperate for a fast sale but the mantra does ring true. Supra prices are plumeting, with everything else this side of a 993 Carrera because people don't want to sink money into anything that cannot be sold quickly (look at M3 prices, they are in freefall) due to economic uncertainty and the other reason which is model specific, Supras have a dire image, absolutely dire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 A red, NA aerotop in advertised in December for 9k? Massively overpriced IMO. I agree it might be a little over priced, but in all fairness I say he has a rason to expect top demand, I mean how many other Supra's can you show me with only 39k miles on it...... Good luck to him I say, and hope he sticks to his guns, people that price their cars like this only do better for our values... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 ...Good luck to him I say, and hope he sticks to his guns, people that price their cars like this only do better for our values... No, people who sell their cars at that price might do but pricing them is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 No, people who sell their cars at that price might do but pricing them is a different story. Whatever Colin, I meant the same thing, another instance of someone jumping on someone over a technicallity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Whatever Colin, I meant the same thing, another instance of someone jumping on someone over a technicallity I wasn't being facetious Ash. What I meant was that putting a car (or anything else for that matter) up for sale at any price means nothing. It is only worth what someone will pay and in today's market, that red car is massively overpriced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I wasn't being facetious Ash. What I meant was that putting a car (or anything else for that matter) up for sale at any price means nothing. It is only worth what someone will pay and in today's market, that red car is massively overpriced. I know mate Are you bored this afternoon or somethng I just cant be arsed with small details today What I meant was maybe if everyone over priced their cars then peple looking would start to expect to have to pay that after a while, you need to push the prices over time, but people wont, because they all want a quick sell, so try to under cut each other, thats how selling works...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I know mate Are you bored this afternoon or somethng I just cant be arsed with small details today What I meant was maybe if everyone over priced their cars then peple looking would start to expect to have to pay that after a while, you need to push the prices over time, but people wont, because they all want a quick sell, so try to under cut each other, thats how selling works...... Surely if everyone selling their Supra overpriced it no-one would buy them. they'd just go and buy a 300zx or and RX7 or and M3 or an evo or................... Don't get me wrong, I love my car and I love to see the price go up. Unfortunately buyers dictate the price of cars not sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Surely if everyone selling their Supra overpriced it no-one would buy them. they'd just go and buy a 300zx or and RX7 or and M3 or an evo or................... Don't get me wrong, I love my car and I love to see the price go up. Unfortunately buyers dictate the price of cars not sellers. Exactamundo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT5500 Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 MR2's but they are older Still Toyota though Oh and 200sx's aren't half bad either. There are quite a few, mostly if not all japanese though hehe. Scott =op I thought about 200sx's before, don't worry too much about them most of them will be rusted away in less then 10 years. I always thought it was just the s13's that rotted away but even 99 plate s14a's are as rusty as old tin cans. After owning a, cough cavalier there is no way I would ever buy another car plagued with rust probs, something I never here about with the supe's (maybe you're all just keeping quiet!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jspec Germany Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I love threads like this one. Makes me want to buy two more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Surely if everyone selling their Supra overpriced it no-one would buy them. they'd just go and buy a 300zx or and RX7 or and M3 or an evo or................... Don't get me wrong, I love my car and I love to see the price go up. Unfortunately buyers dictate the price of cars not sellers. This arguement didn't stand up for me. I wasn't interested in 'other cars' I wanted a Supra. Maybe I was a bit more focussed on what I wanted. I mean, how do you compare an M3 and an Evo to a Supra? They may be superior for all I know (never driven one, not interested)but they look dull, like 'ordinary' cars FFS. I'd had no interest in cars until I came across the Supra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 To the best of my knowledge I never tried to say that no one would pay 20k for a 14 year old jap car, I said no one would pay that for a supra. Like it or loath it the NSX is a much more highly regarded car around motoring circles (I am not saying better, so don't start), I am sorry whilst I love the supra and so does everyone here it was never really well recieved by the motoring world in general, it made an imprssion in its day but was quickly forgotten, the nsx is regarded as a living legend. Anyway I think this thread is now way off where it started from so I think we'll let it die now. For the record though I do not like the NSX and would rather have a supra, unless of course the NSX was free in which case I would sell it and buy a supra and have a pocket full of ££££'s. Oh mate you really got that wrong from me. I wasn't having a dig or being "controversial" with you. I only used the NSX as an example of a japanese car that has held its value and for no other purpose. Myself I wouldn't have one either as in my opinion they are way over priced for my liking. The supra is indeed suffering terribly from the same fate any car that the modifying community take a turn on. You just have to look at the impact on cars like ford cosworths, saxo's, various vauxhalls, to a degree the 300x, and cars like that. As soon as the crappy modding crowd moves in (as opposed to the very serious and professional modders) out go alot of the serious people and off goes the value in freefall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie72 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Escort Cosworth 93 lux £10k Toyota Supra TT UK 93 - £6-7-8k Supra worth 100% more in it's day. It's supply and demand - The Supra may not have the same following as the legendry Escort Cosworth, but £6k as i paid for a 93 UK TT with £123k on the clock is a bargain. 4.9 to 60 and 180 potential MPH. Tell me another car that can match that (IN 1993!!!!) Answer none - only Supercars. There is anxiety in the market and a possible 'R' which alog with Fuel prices have reduced most of the Automobiles selling potential. That said - i do believe that the Supra would (as with the MR2) would have been worth more without imports, however fully accept that with the imports the intrigue ect would have wained and thus it's equivocal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 These same arguments over value and cachet are to be found on every owners site throughout the `net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie72 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Bottom line is £4.7k for a UK TT Supra is too cheap. There has to be mitigating factors. £6k was the cheapest UK i found and i have never seen them that low. A professional valuer will tell you as much. A supra is not a Nissan GTR 33 or like minded cars, it's in a much higher league,the M3 for example is scattered all over trade magazines, with thousands for sale. You will be lucky to find 100 TT Supra's for sale in the country at any one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris burford Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 But do people realise that these engines arent even breaking a sweat yet at that mileage......? My odo reads 100k+ plus, but she still pulls like a train.... here here mine has 145k on the clock now purrs like a new one never misses a beat and is used as a daily driver best bit is its still on its original turbos (waits for the yeah right brigade) produced 407 bhp on a dyno about 5 months ago oh by the way its a uk spec may explain the slight premium on prices amazing what an oil/filter change every 6k can do. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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