SBDJ Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 how will you find someone else when we deliver the final mile ? Because a competing service would be impossible to implement due to it's sheer technical impossibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEDGE Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 they are not interested in delivering it...they just want to cherry pick the best bits then pass it on to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBDJ Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Sorry, I think I've been reading too many other peoples sarcastic posts Seriously though - if those other services eventually find that RM can't be depended upon, they are going to come up with an alternative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEDGE Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 that i'd like to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb9780 Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I still think that what the Unions and the workers are doing is right. I just wish when we got shit on from a great height with our pension people would have made a stand. But the soft shits wobbled when the company said they'd shut the pension if we didn't accept it, of course they'll say stuff like this they have to shock you into accepting it. We balloted for action and the rest of the BAE sites rejected the poll for action. So on the face of it one supervisor lost £50k off his lump sum. After giving the company about 40 years service, oh and he had to work for 3 years longer otherwise it would have cut more. Labour should have scrapped half of the rules/laws that the amazing woman brought in. I think that it's good that people are making a stand for there working terms and condition. We rejected a 17% deal over 3 years early in the year, the money was good but the terms were unsavoury. They wanted agency labour, 100% inspection, acceptance of CI (continuous improvement), amongst other lesser terms. In the end we settled for 4.5% with no strings pretty much. Again the money isn't the issue the terms are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 If I worked all day at my job, And someone said, The chap next door is going on holiday for two weeks, Can you do your normal job and all his work for two weeks, I'd kick up a fess. It may be two weeks, But all that extra work for nothing, Come on........ Ah but imagine your statutory working hours were 7 hours per day, you do a couple of hours work then slope off home early every day. You still get paid for the 7 hours. Then a colleague takes some time off and you then have to do his round too, you might have to work a whole 4 hours in a day!!!1!! Doesn't sound that bad now does it? They're just being asked to work a full day for which they are paid. I still think that what the Unions and the workers are doing is right. Can I just point out that these current strikes are unauthorised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 In years to come when the Royal Mail is no more, I can see the postal workers being compared to those idiots in British Leyland. Remember them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy-m2 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Remember them? NO.....or is that the point? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEDGE Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Ah but imagine your statutory working hours were 7 hours per day, you do a couple of hours work then slope off home early every day. You still get paid for the 7 hours. Then a colleague takes some time off and you then have to do his round too, you might have to work a whole 4 hours in a day!!!1!! Doesn't sound that bad now does it? They're just being asked to work a full day for which they are paid. Can I just point out that these current strikes are unauthorised. The national strikes are legal and have been balloted for..there are a few offices on unofficial action at the moment which i dont aggree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 The national strikes are legal and have been balloted for..there are a few offices on unofficial action at the moment which i dont aggree with. That's what I said, the current strikes, are unofficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bell Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 still no copy of the handout yet to back up this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb9780 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 The national strikes are legal and have been balloted for..there are a few offices on unofficial action at the moment which i dont aggree with. Yes you need to give 90 days notice to a company before taking legal industrial action. I am pretty sure that the union will distance themselves from the "unofficial" strikes. I know they do here when we have a walk out dispute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkirby Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Heres my take on it as i work for the royal mail in a management position so i'm not allowed to strike LOL As a group of companies royal mail had the monopoly on everything from letters to parcels but they sold thereselves short and were carrying parcels for a few quid when it costs £4+ to carry a parcel so the parcel side had to change as they were losing 250 million a year So they went through a massive change by building a top of the line hub in coventry and investing in new equipment and yes that also meant job losses etc but 4 years down the line and were doing well and made 17 million profitt last year. Now the letters and small package side no longer have this monopoly there being hit hard and they need to change ASAP or they will become a dinosaur!! they need new equipment, new working practices etc which does mean job losses but to keep the big beast moving then casulties will happen but at the end of the day Royal Mail needs to keep trading and if the above happens it will be in line with the TNT's and DHL's which are now doing letters etc As usual the unions are using it as an excuse to get more money which as there losing billions its just not sensible to give anymore because there isnt any to give?? why do they not understand this?? The other side to it is the pension which i agree is a bit shitty as they planning on not paying in £1.5 billion as they simply cant afford to which like many many other pension schemes is down to too many people living longer and the original schemes were too good!! the RM one is 6% staff and 20% RM!! so what they are saying is if people want a pension like that then you may have to work till 65 and people entering the scheme will not get the old rate of 20% because its just not viable!! Now it effects me as i have a bloody good pension with them but thats no good to me if the whole pension fund melts down goes t1ts up so i would rather them commit to doing something about it now rather than doing nothing!! These staff need to get behind he company they work for and try supporting it for a change Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I hear that next weeks wildcat strikes have been judged as illegal by the courts. I presume this gives Royal Mail the right to sack anyone pulling any more strikes like today? (Well it's one way to trim the workforce down ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I hear that next weeks wildcat strikes have been judged as illegal by the courts. I presume this gives Royal Mail the right to sack anyone pulling any more strikes like today? (Well it's one way to trim the workforce down ) They bloody should sack them... very much doubt they will though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 I'm a customer who is now looking for other ways to send his mail rather than being held to ransom by the workers of the Royal Mail. There are many ways of making a point but pissing off your clients has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of Well put! This is exactly what will(and has in the past) happen and eventually the RM will be extinct like the Dodo as people find alternatives. Reading those demands - can they be for real? In an age of technological advances, to demand such terms is ludicrous and in a way plain greedy and stupid, just my opinion! Btw - here in China the 'postie' doesn't even deliver the mail and it has to be collected in person! I usually use couriers which costs a little more but they go 'door-to-door' and nothing gets lost or stolen either!(unlike the normal China Post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 what a typical gaffers attitude!!!!!!!!!!!! the reason london are on the wildcat strikes are because of managment bullying..but suppose we better just roll over and take that too ay thorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 what a typical gaffers attitude!!!!!!!!!!!! the reason london are on the wildcat strikes are because of managment bullying..but suppose we better just roll over and take that too ay thorin Yes please. What a load of bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazla Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dont know if i've missed a thread about the rad covers, but have these been posted out yet mate? I thought the strike was over:search: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4RK RZ Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 there all on the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ady Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 there all on the way Cheers mate - cant wait for it to arrive!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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