Syed Shah Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Originally posted by Usmann A who needs squish bands Not JUN apparently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 - IMHO, all they do is help lower rpm combustion, economy, by creating more turbulance. A big power, big boost car, with relevent inlet porting will creating its own.(but you know this alrady right ) I heard that squish bands of certain designs of chambers actually can be the cause of detonation, as unparalell surfaces actually cause hotspots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Exactly the same as the speculation the GTR board as to JUN's reasoning for removal of squish bands. But, some of us like road cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Thanks,ill check it out. Road cars ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/showthread.php?t=27874&page=2&pp=30&highlight=squish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by boneyard What else could be creating the emulsion in the oil cap though. I though the HG would be the foisrt and most obvious item to look at?? guys i think we are taking our eye off the ball here and getting a bit obsesed with head gasket thickness, the fella wants help with emulsified oil on the oil filler cap, at this time of year ALL our cars will have this especially if short runs are involved, if you take the car for a real good blast boneyard (20-30 miles) the emulsion will dissapear it is usually just condensation in the oil, if the car is using no oil and there is no oil in the coolant then dont worry, the stock head gaskets are as good as any aftermarkets and i think a venerable old sage of the forum once quoted he reckoned they were made by the same people anyway, take it for a good blast first and see how you get on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale B Posted November 28, 2004 Author Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by paul mac guys i think we are taking our eye off the ball here and getting a bit obsesed with head gasket thickness, the fella wants help with emulsified oil on the oil filler cap, at this time of year ALL our cars will have this especially if short runs are involved, if you take the car for a real good blast boneyard (20-30 miles) the emulsion will dissapear it is usually just condensation in the oil, if the car is using no oil and there is no oil in the coolant then dont worry, the stock head gaskets are as good as any aftermarkets and i think a venerable old sage of the forum once quoted he reckoned they were made by the same people anyway, take it for a good blast first and see how you get on Cheers Paul...never thought of that all my runs have been short ones lately. Ill give it a god run out before I try anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Just to clarify , a stock gasket is 1.4mm once it is torqued down. CJ and co , you guys make me die worrying about oh the car will be laggy etc , you will hardly notice the difference , but what you will notice is the extra power you can run because you can run more boost ,thats the problem when everyone influences your decisions !!!! 'Who tuned the car ??? oh 10 diff guys off a BBS. Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by dude Just to clarify , a stock gasket is 1.4mm once it is torqued down. CJ and co , you guys make me die worrying about oh the car will be laggy etc , you will hardly notice the difference , but what you will notice is the extra power you can run because you can run more boost ,thats the problem when everyone influences your decisions !!!! 'Who tuned the car ??? oh 10 diff guys off a BBS. Dude:flame Dev So does that mean people like me with limited knowledge should not read posts from other memebers or ask for clarification? C'mon dude, it wasnt that long ago that you too was asking a lot of questions and getting lots of answers. And as for worrying about whether the car wilol be laggy or not, well, to me that is a major issue as I am not changing my car with the almost sole intention of running down a drag strip as fast as possible. You have to remember that my car does approximately 30k miles a year on roads of all descriptions so yes, I do get worried about silly things like lag etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by CJ So does that mean people like me with limited knowledge should not read posts from other memebers or ask for clarification? C'mon dude, it wasnt that long ago that you too was asking a lot of questions and getting lots of answers. And as for worrying about whether the car wilol be laggy or not, well, to me that is a major issue as I am not changing my car with the almost sole intention of running down a drag strip as fast as possible. You have to remember that my car does approximately 30k miles a year on roads of all descriptions so yes, I do get worried about silly things like lag etc. No im saying you cant let 10 diffpeople design your engine , let 1 guy do it or research and make your own decision on each and every bit , there is allways a trade off if you want top end power you will lose bottom end , you seem to have got fixated on the fact that a drag car is undriveable , my car runs 10 sec 1/4's , 187 mph on a speed limiter in under a mile and handles as well as yours sowhy keep refering to the drag strip ???, you are doing plenty of other things that will offset any lag a head gasket brings so dont worry about it , but you may have hit the nail on the head your car does 30K a year on all roads !!! maybe youve gone a little far with it to use as a daily hack , youve prob doubled the HP by the time weve finished and lowered it and stiffened it , youve made it a SPECIALIZED vehicle and as such you will have to put up with its little foibles , you dont for instance think that when the AEM is fitted and mapped its gonna be perfect straight away do you , it wont , it cant be you will be fiddling with it for months with a lap top tweaking this and that adjusting cold start etc , in short you have to take responsibility for the monster you have created and put up with a few things that ordinary people wont understand . Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 dude, to coin a phrase, I think you are missing the point here. I didn't want this to end up a diatribe between us but it does annoy me when you take such a patronising stance. When have I mentioned that 10 people were going to design my engine? My point was, I think it is my right to read other peoples opinions and question their validity without having to answer to anyone else on the BBS I have not become fixated by the a drag car being undrivable although I do feel that any car that is built with the main intention of being a drag car would not suit my needs. If it is your opinion that my car should be built that way then it is you who have become fixated with building it like that and not me. Interesting that you say maybe I have gone too far to be able to use it as a daily hack. Since the very begining you have known that it had to be a fast road car and a daily driver and yet you have never once said to me that the route I am taking is not the correct one. On the subject of AEM, how do you know it is not going to run correctly straight away? What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? Finally, I really dont need you to tell me I should take respnsibility for what I have created. By the very fact that I have spent around 20k, you can safely assume that I do take responsibility for my actions and as for putting up with things ordinary people wont understand, well, I am sorry, but I am not extraordianary and have the same hopes and aspirations as most everyone else on here i.e. a car that is built to a spec that allows me to run it as I see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 well and trully:innocent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale B Posted November 28, 2004 Author Share Posted November 28, 2004 Chill out guys... I only wanted to know the standard gasket thickness should I need to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by migster well and trully:innocent: Mig, you are sooo right - sorry chaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Dude, The whole road car/drag car thing is not as simple as you make out. There are no hard set boundaries, and when a car no longer becomes pleasurable (not just usable) on the road is very much a qualitative choice. Some people feel even stock ceramics are too laggy! While you clearly feel anything this side of a Y2K is a neat little turbo, and lag is overrated, others don't. So while a 7:1 CR with an 88mm turbo is still a road car to you, it is not to a lot of others. Inform the man of your viewpoint, so he can make his own choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by migster well and trully:innocent: so anyway Boneyard have you given the car a good thrashing yet has the condensation gone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale B Posted November 28, 2004 Author Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by paul mac so anyway Boneyard have you given the car a good thrashing yet has the condensation gone ? Not had time to give her a good run out. I'll keep an eye on it this week, but Imm going to the west yorks meet next weekend which is a good run. That'll tell me if theres a prob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Usmann A Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 How it changes so quick. Dude if your reffering to me in "CJ and co",well if you read my previous posts, I was telling CJ not to worry, and my comment about slug off boost was made in humour, howmuch can .5 of a ratio affect that much? not alot I think Most of what dudey is saying is correct, but I cant be bothered to get technical about it, just that alot of which I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Originally posted by CJ dude, to coin a phrase, I think you are missing the point here. I didn't want this to end up a diatribe between us but it does annoy me when you take such a patronising stance. When have I mentioned that 10 people were going to design my engine? My point was, I think it is my right to read other peoples opinions and question their validity without having to answer to anyone else on the BBS I have not become fixated by the a drag car being undrivable although I do feel that any car that is built with the main intention of being a drag car would not suit my needs. If it is your opinion that my car should be built that way then it is you who have become fixated with building it like that and not me. Interesting that you say maybe I have gone too far to be able to use it as a daily hack. Since the very begining you have known that it had to be a fast road car and a daily driver and yet you have never once said to me that the route I am taking is not the correct one. On the subject of AEM, how do you know it is not going to run correctly straight away? What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? Finally, I really dont need you to tell me I should take respnsibility for what I have created. By the very fact that I have spent around 20k, you can safely assume that I do take responsibility for my actions and as for putting up with things ordinary people wont understand, well, I am sorry, but I am not extraordianary and have the same hopes and aspirations as most everyone else on here i.e. a car that is built to a spec that allows me to run it as I see fit. I can virtually Guaruntee the AEM wont run like a factory ECU after 1 days mapping and a daily driver with 600 hp does not cover 30K miles a year without a lot of setting up and a few rethinks along the way , if you were worried about the lag then i find it strange that HKS cams were fitted and that you have it in your mind to rev the car over the stock redline , something we have spoken about many times , didnt mean it to sound patronising and its really for other peoples benefit more than yours that are reading this thread thinking about like mods to yours , we have enough phone conversations to thrash any details out , i think im going to sign you up for a Mechanics for Numptys course so you get the basic feeling for what we are trying to acheive ie you have posted about being worried about the lag produced by a thicker gasket , this is insignificant compared to the effect of bigger cams and a relatively large turbo, every mod we have made /discussed is in the quest for more power and there will allways be a trade off , the point i am making is that allthough we have all spent a relatively large amount of money it is chicken feed to some cars out there with less power that are still not 100% as reliable as a stock car , i know guys with £20K invested in an engine , not the whole car !!!!!By responsability i mean understanding that a car with over double its stock (allready high) hp is not going to be as reliable as the stock car , do you see what i mean , by the way if anyone thinks my car is a drag car wait and see what i call a drag car , when i build one you will see what i mean . Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 Re the original post. IMO it sounds HIGHLY unlikely your head gasket has gone, I'd change the oila nd filter for decent fully synthetic stuff, take the car for a good long (100 mile plus run at motorway speeds) and see if the emulsion has returned to a washed off cap. if it has maybe you need proper head gasket failure tests doing. My bet is it's just condensation. To digress into the hotly discussed world of mapping and ecus, an interesting post from "Neil" on another forum, and i quote; " I massively underestimated the time and effort involved in getting a standalone mapped properly. Any monkey can get it up and running with a half decent power map on, but it will drive like a bag of poo until it has plenty of TLC. The less glamorous mapping (expensive) time is spent on cold start and part throttle, it takes *ages* to get this right. Mine was running perfectly (after ~20 hours mapping time!) until the temperature dropped to feezing, at which point it started running rough until it got upto temperature - not a massive problem but still a PITA!. For that money I would expect it to be fitted, the car to start and run safely and make decent power. I wouldn't expect it to drive well at anything other than full throttle though I think Dino has got the best idea of buying a wideband O2 kit and doing your own part throttle and cold start mapping, it might seem expensive but its nothing compared to getting someone like Thor or Owens to do it for you. Neil. Anyone else with standalones experience similar problems? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Originally posted by boneyard Chill out guys... I only wanted to know the standard gasket thickness should I need to replace it. aaaahahhaa that made me laugh!! I was so I'd completely forgotten about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Originally posted by dude I can virtually Guaruntee the AEM wont run like a factory ECU after 1 days mapping and a daily driver with 600 hp does not cover 30K miles a year without a lot of setting up and a few rethinks along the way , if you were worried about the lag then i find it strange that HKS cams were fitted and that you have it in your mind to rev the car over the stock redline , something we have spoken about many times , didnt mean it to sound patronising and its really for other peoples benefit more than yours that are reading this thread thinking about like mods to yours , we have enough phone conversations to thrash any details out , i think im going to sign you up for a Mechanics for Numptys course so you get the basic feeling for what we are trying to acheive ie you have posted about being worried about the lag produced by a thicker gasket , this is insignificant compared to the effect of bigger cams and a relatively large turbo, every mod we have made /discussed is in the quest for more power and there will allways be a trade off , the point i am making is that allthough we have all spent a relatively large amount of money it is chicken feed to some cars out there with less power that are still not 100% as reliable as a stock car , i know guys with £20K invested in an engine , not the whole car !!!!! By responsability i mean understanding that a car with over double its stock (allready high) hp is not going to be as reliable as the stock car , do you see what i mean , by the way if anyone thinks my car is a drag car wait and see what i call a drag car , when i build one you will see what i mean . Dude:flame Dev And breathe.... Just took the liberty m8 - so could be read Chris - what system you running that went wobbly at cold? (as hijacked to death anyway!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Paul , its only logical that for one the cold start cant be fully sorted at the original mapping session because you only get a couple of goes at it (then the engine is warm) , the part throttle is also a nightmare to do as all eventualities wont show when your mapper is in the car , but its all stuff that can be sorted over a period of time , it just highlites what i was saying about understanding what sort of monster you are creating , i dont think people can get their head around the spend £10K on a kit and built engine and ECU and get 1 bad lot of fuel and lose the motor !!!!!! 'oh it had a bit of a miss so i thought id see if it would pull thru it !!! Dude:flame Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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