chilli Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 You need this bad boy... [qimg]http://www.slashbuster.com/images/stumpgrinder_1.jpg[/qimg] Trees can cause real trouble as said above. When I built a nursery at Selby College, the college groundsmen removed two willows from the site. the resulting groundheave caused the foundations of the nursery to be designed to 2700mm below ground. It was just huge concrete walls in the earth, cost thousands, and the surveyor laid it out wrong, so it had to be re-dug and re-poured. All to do with the capillary like root structure right through the soil. that's amazing, 2.7m! wow! the roots of a big tree can go really deep and wide can't they. Someone said the roots under ground can be the same as the size of the tree itself, not sure if that is true is it? Maybe for some varieties it is, scary! That's a cool looking machine! I think someone used one of those to reface a Skyline head I have here lol, hope you've got a real thick head gasket to go with that! on a completely different note, has anyone head of Japanese knot Weed, what a nightmare that stuff is if you get it in your area. Less than 1 gram of cutting can spawn a new plant readily, so imagine the chaos if you went in with a mower etc. It can grow up to 3m high vines in a season and send roots down 7m from the base of the plant. If you cut or disturb any of that root... more plants form! Hazardous waste apparently, even machinery that comes in contact with it must be disinfected. Blimey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I was recently told that them there lelandi trees (looks like one of them to me from the piccies but I am no expert) are meant to be treated as fences and are by law not meant to be allowed to grow more than 2m high as they pose a public nuisance to your neighbours. Lelandi trees don't fall under the normal laws for trees which in some areas can be very strict. Bournemouth borough By-laws prevent alot of decidous trees from being cut down or even trimmed in a manner that takes away from the appearance of the tree without express permission from the council. Poole borough isn't as fussy but they also have some by-laws about them. It only becomes an issue really if your neighbours say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 I was recently told that them there lelandi trees (looks like one of them to me from the piccies but I am no expert) are meant to be treated as fences and are by law not meant to be allowed to grow more than 2m high as they pose a public nuisance to your neighbours. Lelandi trees don't fall under the normal laws for trees which in some areas can be very strict. Bournemouth borough By-laws prevent alot of decidous trees from being cut down or even trimmed in a manner that takes away from the appearance of the tree without express permission from the council. Poole borough isn't as fussy but they also have some by-laws about them. It only becomes an issue really if your neighbours say something. That sounds about right tbh, they are only ok if you keep them manageable. These were out of control a bit when I moved in, and it took a number of years to really be in a position to tackle them, in which time they'd grown that much more... Once again, any council will only care (or even know) about trees that are in some way visible from a public place (unless we are talking about felling a whole field and farmers etc have different restrictions yet again don't they). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Once again, any council will only care (or even know) about trees that are in some way visible from a public place (unless we are talking about felling a whole field and farmers etc have different restrictions yet again don't they). Ah see thats where by-laws differ. In the Bournemouth borough it is any tree types that fall under their controls no matter where it is on your property AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 blimey, how can they keep tabs on that though, I planted a 6inch tall acer tree the other day, you telling me I'd have to seek permission to prune/fell or move it? seems ridiculous really tbh. Surely if they don't have records of a tree there is nothing to enforce. Plus I think we are talking about 2 different things here, a proper protection order is something served to the owner on a specific tree for specific reasons as I understand it. I'm confident there is no order on my trees, and I don't believe I have to notify anyone about them because they are 100% mine and in a spot that makes them a complete liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Piece of piss that one Chilli, good job though mate if you did it on your own. Gte the stump grinder out. I do have a chipper if you need to borrow one but am quite far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 blimey, how can they keep tabs on that though, I planted a 6inch tall acer tree the other day, you telling me I'd have to seek permission to prune/fell or move it? seems ridiculous really tbh. Surely if they don't have records of a tree there is nothing to enforce. Plus I think we are talking about 2 different things here, a proper protection order is something served to the owner on a specific tree for specific reasons as I understand it. I'm confident there is no order on my trees, and I don't believe I have to notify anyone about them because they are 100% mine and in a spot that makes them a complete liability. Woah woah don't get me wrong dude I am not being argumentative here at all. Just saying that some boroughs have stricter rules about trees than others so the only way to know is to phone your actual council. Them lelandi trees are universally seen as a pest in town so I think you actually get brownie points for hacking them down For enforcement purposes it probably works the same way that planning permission does. If you stick up an extension on the back of your house without planning permission and no-one complains chances are nothing will ever be said. Its the old interfering neighbour that gets you on this and I would say probably for any tree felling that came to the attention of the council. Obviously trees in front of the house will be noticed. BTW I forgot to say well done chap. Without huge professional tools and experience taking trees down is exceedingly hard work. Just using a chainsaw thats not 100% sharp takes 5 times more effort to whizz through a trunk than a nice sharp one. Also until you see it on the ground you cannot imagine how much volume a chopped up tree takes up. Moving that lot around whilst it tangles itself up in other branchs is physically hard work. So well done mate go have another beer you earned it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 Woah woah don't get me wrong dude I am not being argumentative here at all. Just saying that some boroughs have stricter rules about trees than others so the only way to know is to phone your actual council. Them lelandi trees are universally seen as a pest in town so I think you actually get brownie points for hacking them down For enforcement purposes it probably works the same way that planning permission does. If you stick up an extension on the back of your house without planning permission and no-one complains chances are nothing will ever be said. Its the old interfering neighbour that gets you on this and I would say probably for any tree felling that came to the attention of the council. Obviously trees in front of the house will be noticed. BTW I forgot to say well done chap. Without huge professional tools and experience taking trees down is exceedingly hard work. Just using a chainsaw thats not 100% sharp takes 5 times more effort to whizz through a trunk than a nice sharp one. Also until you see it on the ground you cannot imagine how much volume a chopped up tree takes up. Moving that lot around whilst it tangles itself up in other branchs is physically hard work. So well done mate go have another beer you earned it cheers mate! No worries, I didn't think you were being argumentative and I didn't mean to appear so back either I already spoke to the neighbours and they were over the moon about it because it was blocking light out. I can't imagine anyone objecting, including the council. as you say trees like that are not really an asset to the countryside, more of a pest! You're completely right about the size of the tree once down and the effort involved in bringing it down safely. You can't really see from those pics but basically 40ft of tree had to fall precisely in a spot only about 3 times wider than the tree itself, probably about 20-30 degrees in angle. Anywhere else would have destroyed things ranging from smaller trees to whole fences and even a shed. The trees absolutely could not be allowed to fall back, as you can see, my conservatory is just behind it, as is both my house and next door! Lots of rope and tension was used. Even I was nervous with the last one, as it had a nasty lean on it to start with and was lopsided at the top pulling it over to the house, yikes. Think I will try to hire a chipper, just to help get rid of the bulk of smaller branches and stuff (literally masses of it, now 3 trees in total as I did one last year too!). I don't mind the bigger logs, they can be stacked neatly and taken/given away at a later date. not a job for faint harted though, but very satisfying. We had a quote a while back and it was well over £1k to even make a start on them, so this has saved loads, total cost will probably be less than £150 and that's mostly for the chipper hire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Can't you burn the small stuff? You'll get 50 to 70 quid an 8 x 4 trailer load for the logs if you split them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 Can't you burn the small stuff? You'll get 50 to 70 quid an 8 x 4 trailer load for the logs if you split them. that's a good question, have thought about this. Bit worried about the smoke and mess. When I tried to burn a little before it created lots of smoke, aromatic smoke that was quite pungent! It was rather green though, maybe it's ok when dried out? What do you do with the mess after? Was thinking of an incinerator to keep the fire tidy, garden not massive and I don't want a ruined patch of ground really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Buy as big a steel bin as you can get or get hold of an oildrum, stand it on concrete blocks and whack some fairly hefty holes in it. Chop 3 foot lengths of your woodier stuff and start burning. Once you get a bit of heat going the smoke soon goes. Apply the greener stuff in dribs and drabs when the fire is hot. Keep the heat in it and you will minimize the smoke. It is best however to do this at night as there is less chance of irate neighbours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Burn it in the road, claim it's a religious thing, they can't touch you for it.... Wear funny clothes and dance a bit, a bit of anti British chanting helps, always works. You may even get a grant or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 I don't know about felling trees, but I find that tying up my shoe laces deserves a beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Pete you aren't five anymore so tying your own shoe laces is no biggy Now fell 3 tree's, drink 10 pints and then tie your shoe laces to a lampost and I'll be impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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