V Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I’ve got a 3GHz Pentium IV Processor (800 FSB). The fan speeds up as the heat builds-up in the case which produces loud fan noise which I don’t like. The PSU fan is silent but the processor fan is the noisy one which I assume is best to replace. Do they all fit so long as I buy one to suit a P4 3Ghz? I was also thinking about changing the PSU (400w) for one with a bigger fan to shift more air out at the top of the case. I think my PSU has 2 small flies in it the shift the air (or could be an 8cm fan) which seems to do nearly nothing. I did buy an exhaust fan although its sits right at the bottom of the case and did nothing. I also tried an old 12cm PSU fan and screwed to the case which helped a bit but was too noisy. Test 1 Test 2 Test 3 Test 4 CPU (degrees) 51 47 43 44 M/B (degrees) 37 33 29 32 Fan (RPM) 4303 3300 2833 2857 Also i'm assuming the H/S is pasted on the chip? If so how hard is it to get the H/S off? Many thanks. Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Also i'm assuming the H/S is pasted on the chip? If so how hard is it to get the H/S off? Careful twist and slide, then some tissue to wipe all the creamy white gunk off. Sound advice for other occasions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 Careful twist and slide, then some tissue to wipe all the creamy white gunk off. Sound advice for other occasions too. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 As well as going for more efficient, quieter fans look for a PSU that comes with the nicer space friendly cables, ideally a modular one so you only use what you need and don't have useless things hanging around in the airflow. It may also be of benefit to replace your ribbon cables with round ones too, more space for the air to circulate then I'm using a Hiper 580W Modular PSU (HPU-4B580) - silent and seems to do a decent job of cooling itself, 3 Akaska silent case fans and an office tower fan under the desk for warmer days. Your temps don't seem to be much higher than mine though, I average 49 degrees after a few hours of serious gaming, otherwise it hovers around 36 > 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guru Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 CPU thermal temps like this are normal don't worry. I assume you have a Prescott which is (badly) designed to run hot. If the temp gets nearer to 60 C then start to worry and look for options. Ventilation is the easiest way so look at buying case with more room and fans for heat dissapation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Careful twist and slide, then some tissue to wipe all the creamy white gunk off. Sound advice for other occasions too. Oh god noooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvershark44 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Really not worth doing anything at all worst case scenario, you cpu blows which it wont at those temps, you can get anther one off ebay for nout! to be honest, I can see about 10 reasons why you have heat probrems with the kit you have got but nothing is worth doing about it.The main reason is that your cpu mostly likely prescot, will run stupid temps and you fan/heatsink isnt that great. But its doing its job. If you want to replace it you can with an aftermarket one, but you really would see much of a difference in your setup. I wouldnt bother as youll be wasting £25+. A 400 power supply is absolutely fine for your setup, I have a HIPER 580PSU but thats because i have a very good custom built PC well overclocked. You bying that cpu would be like filling your micra up on race fuel on your way to work every day. Ie a complete waste of time. My advice, leave well alone, ive seen those processors run 90 degree c and never a problem. Most home users cpus run mental temperatures, because of dust buildups in the fan/heatsink and they never even realise. make sure you have a fan on the front of your case, and rear exhaust fans rely on "through" air flow within the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 how are you guys checking the heat of your systems? I know how to do it on my servers at work. but no idea on my home pc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvershark44 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 how are you guys checking the heat of your systems? I know how to do it on my servers at work. but no idea on my home pc! loads of ways, I have a device that sits om my desk telling me loads of stuff, voltages, temps, frequencies etc but easiest way......... download a program called everest home edition or free edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 Thank you everyone. how are you guys checking the heat of your systems? Or from the bios setting before it boots up but it will just be idling if that makes much difference. Really not worth doing anything at all worst case scenario, you cpu blows which it wont at those temps, you can get anther one off ebay for nout! to be honest, I can see about 10 reasons why you have heat probrems with the kit you have got but nothing is worth doing about it.The main reason is that your cpu mostly likely prescot, will run stupid temps and you fan/heatsink isnt that great. But its doing its job. If you want to replace it you can with an aftermarket one, but you really would see much of a difference in your setup. I wouldnt bother as youll be wasting £25+. A 400 power supply is absolutely fine for your setup, I have a HIPER 580PSU but thats because i have a very good custom built PC well overclocked. You bying that cpu would be like filling your micra up on race fuel on your way to work every day. Ie a complete waste of time. My advice, leave well alone, ive seen those processors run 90 degree c and never a problem. Most home users cpus run mental temperatures, because of dust buildups in the fan/heatsink and they never even realise. make sure you have a fan on the front of your case, and rear exhaust fans rely on "through" air flow within the case I've got a vent in the front to let the air pass through the case. It's not the concern over the heat temperature its the noise of the CPU fan when the temp gets up, so i want to keep the temp down, so I assume a better heat sink & fan would help this? I could always put a grill on top of the case? So, if a better fan & heat sink help keep it slightly cooler would any fan & H/S fit so long as it says P4 or (and seems most sensible) make sure it says Presott (if this indeed this helps the situation)? I've quickly found these 2 fans. Akasa AL-675S (478) £4.75: Designed for P4 Socket 478 upto Prescott 3.2GHz 3000rpm 38.4 CFM Akasa AKL-956CP (775) £8.75: Designed for Intel Celeron, D/P4 upto 3.4GHz 3000rpm 57.21 CFM Obviously the 2nd one seems better but doesnt mention Prescott and i'm doubtful if it'll fit looking at the clip fixing on my board. I was going to get one from http://www.cpc.co.uk as i'm making an order up at the mo. I've no idea what the difference is between 478 & 775 is btw. Thank you again Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 You want one of these http://uk.asus.com/440/images/products/92/92_m.jpg http://uk.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=16&l2=65&l3=0&model=92&modelmenu=1 Oh, and a transparent window in your case so you can stare at it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I'm getting a Quiet PC Scythe Ninja Heatsink and fan next I don't off the top of my head know if it will fit a Prescott though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 I'm getting a Quiet PC Scythe Ninja Heatsink and fan next I don't off the top of my head know if it will fit a Prescott though. If you could let me know how you get on with it please You want one of these Yup - and so do probably Boeing!! Found this one - again, not sure if it fits! £16.99+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Pete - I thought he wanted a quiter system! A high cfm blower fan may not help for dampening the noise! Cable management is key mate. Get some cable ties and plug those cables out of the way. I bought some alaska heatsink paste remover and cleaner which helps if you're doing a new CPU heat install. Check overclockers.co.uk out for their products. If you want maxmium cooling power, then Torndao fans are always good but as loud as a frikking Dyson Hoover! Fans with specified CPU should normally fit, but not always. I put a large AMD Flower heatsink in and it rubs against my X800 card which is bloody large due to the massive heatsink on it. As long as you don't have any interferring components the above fans you mentioned should fit fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Not purchasing for a few weeks....but yeah I'll let you know. Wins all the reviews on http://www.tomshardware.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Pete - I thought he wanted a quiter system! A high cfm blower fan may not help for dampening the noise! Cable management is key mate. Get some cable ties and plug those cables out of the way. I bought some alaska heatsink paste remover and cleaner which helps if you're doing a new CPU heat install. Check overclockers.co.uk out for their products. If you want maxmium cooling power, then Torndao fans are always good but as loud as a frikking Dyson Hoover! I've heard LOTS of bad things about overclockers...I wouldn't buy from them. http://www.microdirect.co.uk http://www.dabs.com http://www.aria.co.uk http://www.ebuyer.co.uk would be better bets IMO. Steve, A new case with new cabling might be best. The Antec P180b is looking like a nice bit of kit. So much so it's on my shopping list. upto 5 slow spinning 120mm fans. Akaska(sp?) make the quietest 120mm case fans I've found, if anyone knows of quieter ones though let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Alex - pretty sure I had a Scythe on my old P4. Damn good purchase. Was this one, but farly dated now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835185027 Overclockers - I've bought over 50 products from them I believe in the last 4 years. Only had one blown PSU which they replaced within 3 days. Got my vote. Have heard problems though with their customer service and shit webnote system! Dabs are very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 Look what i've just found Think this solves my problem. I'll tidy things up, but i reckon i'll get this + a fan. http://www.westavon-systems.co.uk/pd_thermaltake_sonic_tower4.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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