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[pump gas pete]

As followers of my posts will know I have an apparently irrational hatred of the Police.

 

In my humble opinion many members of the force are none too bright. They have a tendancy to elevate themselves to a position where the law applies to the members of the public but not to

themselves because they are "special"....they are"trained".mmmmm

 

The well documented police driver who can travel in a 30 at 82 and out to a 156 high speed run springs to mind.

 

Last year the company driver Paul was issued with a fixed penalty

notice for overtaking on a pedestrian crossing.

 

Paul legally turned right after the zebra crossing.

 

I asked Paul if the incident had occurred. He said it did not.

 

I said if he wanted to contest it I would support him all the way including any appeals. I said I could not do anything about points but I would pay any fine above the fixed penalty notice.

 

I then told Paul that the police "statement of events" would be so extreme it would be hilarious. It proved to be a gem.

 

What the police do not understand is they are dealing with real people with real lives where 3 penalty points could be a problem.

It is not a game. Paul was preparing to sell his car in case his insurance became too much.

 

As it happens Paul is not like Darren and myself. He has worked here since he was 17. He is coming on 28. In that time he has NEVER been stopped for any offence ....ever.

 

He has no convictions...no accidents....Paul does NOT take risks.

 

According to the specially trained police motorcyclist Paul travelled North on a southbound carriage way, during a London rush hour, with a pedestrian "avoiding" a collision with the vehicle in question.mmmmmm

 

Indeed so clear was thicko 1s recollection of the events he even remembered the registration number of the vehicle Paul is alleged to have overtaken. He quoted it on the "statement of facts".

 

Nice try from the thicko but he really should tried to think it through. If he really must create a web of lies to cover his incorrectly issued fixed penalty notice he should make make sure

it makes sense.

 

At the first court appearance Paul was extremely satisfied to see thicko start sweating.

 

We had a Barrister.....photos.....measurements.....and thickos "witness" in denial. We had written to the DVLA and had a letter passed on to the driver of the vehicle. Kindly the gentleman wrote to us with the information that he would have been in the area 20 minutes later.

 

Thicko sweated more.

 

Thickos sidekick , thicko 2,ran around the court creating another statement which ,unfortunately ,did'nt quite tally with thicko 1s statement. They had an adjournment.

 

To cut a long story short it is physically impossible for the vehicle to perform the manouvre as described by the specially trained thicko.

 

The "witness" vehicle would have been in the area at the time the thicko was writing up his notes and would have been needing a suitable size vehicle for Paul to have "passed".

 

And lastly ...but not leastly....thicko expected the court to believe that a dyxlexic (I HOPE I have spelt that right!!!) specially trained thicko could REMEMBER a registration number whilst riding a motorcycle in heavy traffic.

 

When thickos statement was being read in court the bench shook their heads in disbelief. They did not see the spelling and the words spelt backwards. They just heard the English.

 

Why was it being read out in court?

 

You didn't expect thicko 1 and 2 to appear in person to be shredded did you. Thick and cowardly.

 

We won £1100 costs.

 

The moral of this story is DO NOT LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YOU DOWN.

 

My hatred is not as irrational as it seems.

[jamesmark]

Sounds good, some coppers leave a lot to be desired, a few workmates over the years have left to be policemen/women a few good suls in that bunch but will they be when they are trained? and a few were quite quite dense. We can all blame police for being on power trips as most of them are (guess you have to be a non copper to know what we are on about) but as i was saying anyone can say that they would never be like that, but would we?

 

I must admit I left the recruitment process many years ago to join the police as I did not want to be a prick on a power trip, to this day I dunno if i woul dhave even got in but I did not like the thought of what I could have become, now that I am older I might try again.

 

On the other side I have also came accross really good cops, even the ones that sent me to court to recieve 6 points were sound, but am sorry the bad cops out weigh the good in most cases (until you get older that is then you will be let off more)

[Bob]

Congratulations Pete. It is a shame that certain police offers are so sub-standard that they can tarnish the name of the real, decent members of the police force.

[Kittyclaws]

Congratulations Pete. It is a shame that certain police offers are so sub-standard that they can tarnish the name of the real, decent members of the police force.

 

Yes very true, I think the worst are the British Transport Police, They are useless, You never see them, and they take for ever to arrive.I know for a fact that Sussex police have a very low opinion of them, for exp just before xmas a passenger was stabbed in the chest with a kitchen knife (about 8") i went and gave him first aid etc, Sussex were there like a shot because a knife was involved, hour later BTP turned up and took over I had to move the train so they said they would contact me later for my statement. 2 weeks later, they rang me at home to ask what had happend, what a joke. Plus their armed response side is a joke, which i pointed out to them at clapham junction one day, but thats another story

[carl0s]

We had written to the DVLA and had a letter passed on to the driver of the vehicle.

 

Great story Pete, but on an off topic tangent here, can you tell me a bit about the letter? Did you need to fill out the whole Request for Information forms, and include specifics proof of what was going on in order to have the letter forwarded? Or did you just ring up and get a name/address of someone at the DVLA to send the letter to?

[supra dan]

good to hear you won, i think people in general are scared to stand up for themselves and think the police always win, but if you are in the right you should always fight! most normal law abiding folks only experience with the law is with traffic, and IMHO it gives them a low opinion of all police.

[Bobbeh]

Yup, they are bastards alright (mostly).. did your thicko look like a shaven Gorrilla too?

[andrew7]

Unfortunately, some of our "guardians" of society have turned into "guards"..............

[pump gas pete]

Bobbeh ....don't know what he looked like.

 

You don't think our solicitors were going to let me go to court do you? I really cannot keep my mouth shut and all it would have needed if we had lost is some self satisfied, smug .thicko of a copper telling me how much it had cost me ......WW3 .

 

I wrote to the DVLA a covering letter that an alleged serious motoring offence had been committed and that the police had given the registration number of a vehicle in support of their case.

 

I asked would it be possible, after reading the contents of my letter to the vehicle owner ,to pass it on.

 

I took a chance that the vehicle owner would respond. He did.

 

The place for the police is in fighting CRIME.

 

Not the crimes of exceeding limits or breaking rules imposed by people whose long term aim is to control. ( I have been accused by some of being a conspiracy theorist in regard of motoring offences. Unfortunately I have to work which stops me expanding on the theme.)

 

Suffice for me to say the training we all receive IS in little things like complying with minor traffic rules.....enthusiastically enforced by the representatives of the state. The police. And their cameras.

 

True crime .....murders ...rape...etc are ,I am sure, investigated with rigour. Thats the reason a lot of people join the force. To make a difference.

 

Unfortunately the middle ranking crimes.....muggings ...robberies...

scams do not attract headlines in relation the labour required to solve them so......the police do not have enough "resources".

 

Suggestion

Back off the revenue grabbing exercise of fleecing the captive audience called motorists and concentrate on what the majority of the public would like them to do. Catch the little scum bags that makes owning a Supra a nightmare to leave anywhere.

 

Catch the scumbag who broke into the factory and stole the kiddies money box......."Mr Salmon....do you have any idea who done this? ex employee for instance?"

 

"Yes ....officer we know exactly who done this do you want his address?"

 

"Yes please" said the enthusiastic young officer .

 

Nothing happened.....nothing. By contrast...

 

I have another court case outstanding regarding an alleged speeding offence. It has now been distilled down to the offence of not providing the police with the name and address of the driver of the vehicle at the time of the alleged offence. I could be fined up to £1000.

 

Its been rumbling for just over a year so far. Next tround is in March 07.

 

I will keep the board informed and will when I have time post the letter sent to the authorities which ,I think, may not have endeared me to them.

 

Face piles of trials with smiles,

It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave,

 

Keep on thinking free.

 

(Moody Blues)

 

Peter

[JamieP]

Great news:thumbs: And your right about the police statement of events, Ive been in a smilar situation years ago, There full of shit..

My dad came to court with me and asked the 2 thicko's ten of the same quetions, they anwsered 9 of them different.. got slung out and they got repremanded for giving false evidence:)

And the funny thing was i was guilty.. if they would had kept it simple and told the truth they would have had me:rolleyes:

[Max Headroom]

It seems IMO that the police force of today, rather than being upholders of the law are fast becoming a political force following the will of the government rather than the will of the people.

[JamieP]

Motorist has always been an easy target for making money.