Mike B Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Hi Everyone. Last year Ihad pete from Thor install an emanage to my TT 6 speed.It was mapped to 95 ron fuel on parrallel setup. This year I'm going back to sequential, and I need some very basic q's answering (I've had a look through the site and found nothing much)Please bear in mind that although I have all the accessories wired in,and the com port terminal poking out next to the seat I left the softwear at Thor ; Is there a place I can download a copy of the softwear? Is it possible for me to map it myself? is there anywhere I can learn or find a good resource where I can at least learn how to keep an eye on it from time to time...? I hear of a lot of people who use emanage themselves - how realistic is it? Thor is a good distance from me, and it's hard to get good communication, or info from them (the car still hits boost cut in 6th - and they have never explained it - I've asked them 3 times!). any info would be greatly received! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Do you have aftermarket injectors? If not then there is no point having an e-manage and you can therefore just set everything to Zero. If you have aftermarket injectors then I suggest you contact Ian C on here for some advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 No Standard 440's on a Jspec. just wanted to make sure it didn't go bang with 95 ron fuel on parralell. it came with an HKS fcon when I brought it in, it wasn't running well on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 If that was an fcon pro then its far, far better than an emanage, who advised you to change it? If you've got standard injectors then the stock ECU will be fine to manage the fueling, every other car on here manages just fine on 98 fuel after an ECU reset. I just don't understand why you'd need an emanage with stock fueling... unless your car has some other major mods... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 The Fcon was not a pro - it was the early version - it was totally untunable by anyone in the uk. It was fit for the bin! When I bought the car I had hoped it as running at least hybrids with the F-con,but it was standard ceramics - or at least I think they are! I wanted to run the car safely on 95 ron fuel, and on parralell which is why I wanted the car dyno'd and set up with emanage, I thought it might be risky running both together. As it happened we did have to change the plugs on the dyno runs. I'm running a big FMIC, and twin intakes- one for each turbo, single decat, and nur spec, and an HKS evc7. I just want to learn more about afr's, and if it's possible for me learn more about the functions and features for the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 If you're on 440's then zero the map on the eManage low down...but leave everything above 4500rpm alone. AFR's on boost should be about 11.7:1 AFR's on cruise are 14.7:1 Between cruise and full boost you should see the AFR's steadily move from 14's to 11's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 Thanks Alex, Is there any resorce that I can learn from - any web pages that give tutorials and explanations, and any sites that have to operating softwear as a download? cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Books - Search Amazon for Corky Bell - Turbochargers Graham A Bell(?) They are a good place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 Cheers Matey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 http://www.mohdparts.com has all the software versions you'll ever need and PDF docs for the instructions. The books Alex suggested are fantastic. Start with Maximum Boost - Designing, Testing, and Installing Turbocharger Systems by Corky Bell. It's a good read, and it covers all you need to know about turbo'd engines at this stage of the game. I assume you have a nice wideband AFR gauge? If your map is for parallel operation and you are going back to sequential then zeroing the map is one way of doing it but you say you are using 95RON fuel, so there will probably be some ignition timing pulled - leave that alone Maybe some extra fuelling put in too as another method to stave off det. Watch out for that. The stock non-vvti ECU doesn't run 11's until 4000rpm when the second turbo gets online so don't be suprised if you see like 13:0 at 3000rpm at 0.7bar boost. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 Thanks Ian, I kind of figured - a wideband is a good idea if you are doing anything... and a good idea anyway! I'll get a copy of the Bell book - should keep me quiet for a while! short term I may go back to 0 and use 98ron on sequential. does that site have a softwear download section - and is it something I would have to buy? I see they have an update for ultimate v1.14, but I will only need the standard blue softwear, no? cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Not sure if this is right, but i seem to remember reading something about Supra coils not liking the emanage? not been on the google site for a while as i changed over to a Power FC on my old s14, also as i will be installing my blue emanage into my Supra, has anyone got a ECU pin out diagram? as i think the US Supra is different and that is the one the install ECU diagram is for?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/index.html#E-manage%20Software%20&%20Firmware Yes, you only want the Blue software. Download the v1.13 software for the Blue E-Manage, and the V1.39 firmware. I don't trust the v1.25 and v1.25a software and the v1.47 and v1.48 firmware versions yet. Install the software (type in anything for the reg code) and have a play. You can't do much without it being plumbed into a live unit though. Ricky - no problems with the ignition stuff that I know of, once it's wired up right and the correct jumper settings are in place The docco that comes with the unit has J-Spec wiring instructions, the only real difference is the rotary switch settings you use to select the airflow meter, and that you wire up pin 62 instead of pin 66 to the airflow input. (MAP sensor instead of MAF sensor) -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 Thanks Ian - you are a star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Likewise! cheers Ian:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason m Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I was just about to ask a similar question (prob for Ian C ) I just got the car back from a full service - it seems like it may be running a little rich - am I right in thinking that the stock ecu does this in order to keep the temps down and the cats cool ? Since I am de catted is it possible/sensible/beneficial to trim the fueling back to improve top end performance (I have an e-manage fitted at the mo but set to zero) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 When you say rich - do you have a wideband fitted to actually know the AFRs? If so then, yes, you can trim it back to 11.5-11.7:1 at WOT. By back that mean anything say in the 10's or 9's can be trimmed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 If you've got a stocker setup , decatted and FCD'd, you'll run rich at 1bar but not so rich at 1.2bar. If you pull airflow to lean off at 1bar can go too lean at 1.2bar, depends on the setup - i.e. what's doing the fuel cut defending, the E-Manage or another black box? You can fix this by using the Greddy pressure sensor and the addinj map to return fuel above 1bar though. No biggie, just something to watch out for. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason m Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Thanks Ian you have pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Ian, do you know whether it is possible to use a emanage when doing an NA-T setup in a 2JZ-GE engine??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Aye, should be able to. It's well suited as when the stock sensor and map runs out of range at atmospheric, you use the GReddy pressure sensor to add injector duty cycle for positive boost. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi2009 Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Aye, should be able to. It's well suited as when the stock sensor and map runs out of range at atmospheric, you use the GReddy pressure sensor to add injector duty cycle for positive boost. -Ian Thanks Ian, I was specifically thinking about the MAP sensor of the GE engine cuz they dont read +'ve pressure supposedly right. So if you use the greddy pressure sensor wouldnt the stock ECU still try to resist the extra fuelling??? Another thing, could you adjust ignition on the GE through the emanage since that engine uses a distributor type ignition? thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Thanks Ian, I was specifically thinking about the MAP sensor of the GE engine cuz they dont read +'ve pressure supposedly right. So if you use the greddy pressure sensor wouldnt the stock ECU still try to resist the extra fuelling??? Another thing, could you adjust ignition on the GE through the emanage since that engine uses a distributor type ignition? thanks a lot Well, the stock ECU won't have a clue about the extra fuelling, rest assured. All they do is measure their inputs and spit out a duty cycle for the injectors. The fact that the injectors are bigger and the inputs are smaller sorts your fuelling out. As for changing the ignition timing on an NA dizzy, it seems possible on paper but me having never tried means I can't say it'll work... -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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