andrew7 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Did you notice in the last pic how worn the steering wheel was. There is no way this car has 55k on the clock. I've just sold my uk spec with 110k on the clock and the steering was in much better condition. I would guess this car has done in excess of 150k. Zed, Steering wheel is not really a good indicator of the real mileage. I have a low mileage import, which, due to a heavy handed "renovation" tried on the wheel after it had sat at the docks for a while, completely screwed it up. Looks like it has done 250k.....Chunks out of it and all sorts.... A better indicator is to feel for any lips on the rear brake discs, if you think they are the originals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Lots of things to check, sterrting wear is one thing, seat belts being loose is another, general bodywork condition, engine bay condition, leather seats/even cloth ware etc, and how tight everything feels when you're driving it. Andrew, do you have a service history of some description to validate your low mileage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Lots of things to check, sterrting wear is one thing, seat belts being loose is another, general bodywork condition, engine bay condition, leather seats/even cloth ware etc, and how tight everything feels when you're driving it. Andrew, do you have a service history of some description to validate your low mileage? No, but then sometimes you don't need it. I have bought a lot of cars since 1967. I was also in the trade and used to buy a lot of cars from auction etc... I can't verify my mileage as such (very hard with imports), its that sometimes you just know (from all of the points you made above, which is sometimes far more pertinent than an overseas history which can be faked). I am the first UK owner, and apparently there was one Jap owner before that (I suppose I could write to him if neccessary) Also Lucifer has seen the car.. he will verify the overall condition (as not being high mileage).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted February 26, 2006 Author Share Posted February 26, 2006 Haven't we already been through this one? With the 8 previous owners and dodgy mileage? Why would anyone bother to pay for a check? Well that would be because I haven't had much time on here in the last week and missed the relevant thread, AND I was interested in getting hold of a UK 6-speed at a good price. And I guess because I was a little suspicious and wasn't going to part with cash without first checking it out. See? T'aint rocket science! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 C'mon Brian, you know you're not allowed to miss a post anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4packet Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hi all I'm the guy who entered the winning bid on the car you've all been discussing! Am in the undecided state of whether to go through with it at mo for obvious reasons. I am now aware of the ebay HPI check details and have given the seller a chance to prove the car is worthy. I was aware of the total loss, but was given the impression it was due to a theft. Does anyone know of a vehicle check that gives better detail and lists what category the write off is (cat d, c etc). I personally have no problem with a cat d if the price reflects that and the car drives straight/panels fit etc. Been there done it. My concern was mainly over the mileage knowing the history is a bit patchy. There is a chance that this is a typo mixup according to information from the seller. I'm awaiting proper proof along with potentially further history through the supplying dealer (from the seller). I disagree with peoples conclusions regarding the steering wheel. You don't scuff a wheel in one place like that through continued driving (with your hand on top of the wheel - 9 different driving styles remember!). I put that down to a ring or crook lock damage or similar. Needs checking I grant you. I am mainly confused with regards your comments on the value of the car. People seem to regularly comment on the high value of these uk cars (£10k+?? if genuine) yet this one is deemed expensive at less than 70% of the usual value. I am in no way an ameteur with regards cars and I appreciate this one is well worth thorough scrutiny (I also have an ex TDI Engineer to aid inspection), but assuming it checks out OK with extra info and inspection, does everyone really believe that its not worth the time of day at £7.1k with a cat d to its name? Please don't take this as me defending the car or critising anyones opinions - I am just trying to reopen discussion to verify if the London - Swansea drive is worth the petrol to check it out or if I should walk away now. Appreciate your opinions and apologies for such a long 1st timer thread! Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotasuprauk Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 There is no way that a car is worth 70% less if its on hpi! That doesnt seem to be the problem though with this car its the host of other issues such as fact the miles dont appear to be geninue. I'm sure other hpi checks will tell you why the car is on the register but cant tell you which ones sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotasuprauk Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 After reading the first post again it says: Recorded as an insurance write-off Recorded by insurers as the subject of a total loss claim due to damage. Due to damage, not due to being stolen recovered so I think the seller is lying on that front so he could be lying about other things too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Cheers for the speedy response!! I agree with your comments whole heartily. I am looking to get more confirmation with regards the mileage and try to interpret how much the seller has lied/been efficient with the truth. I'm hoping he will come forward with a detailed report (otherwise I will do it before I view) explaining/validating the mileage. Without it I'm not going to waste my time. Frustrating situation as I've been searching for a sensibly priced low mileage Supra UK manual for years on and off. They are pretty elusive creatures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Would it be possible to trace the insurance company and ask them why it was written off? (just to clarify) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 ...I've been searching for a sensibly priced low mileage Supra UK manual for years on and off. They are pretty elusive creatures! Keep looking This one is not worth much. The old saying goes: if in doubt, walk away. There are just too many question marks here. If it was for sale at £3K-£4K then it would make sense, but it isn't. There are plenty of clean, good examples out there if you shop carefully. Don't get stuck too much on the 'UKSpec' thing, or even the 'manual' obsession, go drive late VVTi supras and see how they feel. They won't have the salt damage, that's for sure. (and I defy you to find a more firm supporter of UKSpec on this forum ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 (and I defy you to find a more firm supporter of UKSpec on this forum ) I can vouch for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 There is no way that a car is worth 70% less if its on hpi! I think what 4packet said suggests that it would be worth 30% less, not 70% I have also owned a cat D car in the past ( not my ex supe! ) and at the right price and in the right condition it would still be worth considering. Remember, when you come to sell, the same questions will be going through the head of any potential buyer and it will have to be very keenly priced because of that fact. I've seen high mileage, straight, supes go for less than 7K. If it looks like 55k is genuine then i'd still try to knock a few hundred off that price, if that's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotasuprauk Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Sorry I was refering to when he said "yet this one is deemed expensive at less than 70% of the usual value." So I thought being thought it was expensive at 70% less than normal value. I dont know how much being on hpi reduces value but I would guess 20% ish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Its all a gamble, if the guy cant be honest about the state of the car what good is the rest of his ad. Its your choice fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 Never did find out the history of this car. The seller became overly upset with my posts on this thread (have no idea why?) and we both agreed to teminate the transaction. Ahmen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 It will re-emerge on AutoTrader perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted March 6, 2006 Author Share Posted March 6, 2006 Never did find out the history of this car. The seller became overly upset with my posts on this thread (have no idea why?) and we both agreed to teminate the transaction. Ahmen! SO is he/she a member on here then or just a visitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 F*cking complete lying twat then really is my approximation of him. He so knows he is trying to sell a lemon here. Why would he come over all indignant like that and not defend himself? I f*ckin hate pr*cks like this. I feel real bad every time I sell a car in case a stone chip I didn't notice is picked up after the sale. Someone that deliberately sells a car with stacks more miles on and undisclosed insurance damage is a twat of the highest order and deserves burning. Read that and be aware that we are watching for this car now c8ck head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted March 6, 2006 Author Share Posted March 6, 2006 F*cking complete lying twat then really is my approximation of him. He so knows he is trying to sell a lemon here. Why would he come over all indignant like that and not defend himself? I f*ckin hate pr*cks like this. I feel real bad every time I sell a car in case a stone chip I didn't notice is picked up after the sale. Someone that deliberately sells a car with stacks more miles on and undisclosed insurance damage is a twat of the highest order and deserves burning. Read that and be aware that we are watching for this car now c8ck head. A fair point well made!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Could elucidate a bit more though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4packet Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 SO is he/she a member on here then or just a visitor? I don't believe they were members. Someone forwarded them a link to the relevant banter as did someone to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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