machman Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Ladies and Gents I'm in the middle of fitting new bilstein shocks, the fronts went on easy enough but the rears were a little harder, I noticed they are about 15-20mm longer than the shocks I've taken off. I guess there's one of two reasons for this:- 1) the shocks I've taken off are none standard and a little short. They're black and look standard but are gas rather than oil, so I'm guessing not standard! 2) the bilstein are out of spec and too long. Has anyone had a similar experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Are you saying when back on the springs they were longer? or just longer than the old ones when separated and lying next to each other? Were they harder to put back on the springs or harder to fit to the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Are you saying when back on the springs they were longer? or just longer than the old ones when separated and lying next to each other? Were they harder to put back on the springs or harder to fit to the car?Yes when assembled on the spring they are longer which made it harder to fit them back on to the car, the old shocks came out quite easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just trying to picture this in my head, but I'm thinking it must mean the lower spring seat must be higher up on the bilsteins than the old ones? ie as a unit at pretty much nil compression the springs 'height' will be the same regardless of shock? I could compare the measurement of yours to mine (I have some on and off the car I could measure) if you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just trying to picture this in my head, but I'm thinking it must mean the lower spring seat must be higher up on the bilsteins than the old ones? ie as a unit at pretty much nil compression the springs 'height' will be the same regardless of shock? I could compare the measurement of yours to mine (I have some on and off the car I could measure) if you like?Don't worry just yet, I will post some pics later, I'm certain the rear shocks I removed are not standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Don't worry just yet, I will post some pics later, I'm certain the rear shocks I removed are not standard /QUOTE]I'm sure now the shocks I removed from the rear are none stock and the rods are 25mm shorter than standard (see pics). I have often looked at the ride height and thought 'it's low on the back!' The rods on the old shocks are 210mm. Thanks for everyone's help, it's much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 My old rear shock (black) compared to new Bilstein (yellow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Old rear shock, is defo not standard equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 That's a standard Tokico rear damper. Whether your springs are stock is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 That's a standard Tokico rear damper. Whether your springs are stock is another matter.Really!, I'm confused, why are the bilsteins 25mm longer, i ordered the correct part numbers according to their website,have they made a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Spring seat height on the Bilsteins is different in relation to the Tokico. They are designed to allow more suspension droop whilst maintaining spring restraint at that full extension. One of the reasons they give great traction, especially on bumpy roads. Rear B6 Sport part number should be 24-017930 Edited October 10, 2017 by Chris Wilson (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Really!, I'm confused, why are the bilsteins 25mm longer, i ordered the correct part numbers according to their website,have they made a mistake? /QUOTE]Can't see a difference in this pic, I didn't measure that dimension, the only difference I could see was the rod length which has resulted in a higher ride height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ride height is solely governed by lower bolt C/L to lower spring seat distance. Rod length difference has minor effect on spring pre-load with soft road car springs, and how much droop is available at full extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machman Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ride height is solely governed by lower bolt C/L to lower spring seat distance. Rod length difference has minor effect on spring pre-load with soft road car springs, and how much droop is available at full extension.Ok put it this way, the overall length of the old spring\shock assembly is about 25mm shorter than the bilstein\spring assembly, hence it was a struggle to install them whereas the old assemblies came out easily and now the rear is higher to the point I've had to readjust the headlights. I guess what I'm looking for is the correct dimension for the standard setup if anyone knows it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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