Scott Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 So how do most other spacers work then? Like the 20-25mm ones? 15mm is all i need so im lost as to what to do now. For 15mm most folks just go with normal spacers and extended studs. Hub-adapters are for 20mm and above.... generally. The ones i had were 25mm and i still had to chop 1mm off of the end of my studs. A webbed alloy means there is a gap between each of the holes where the alloy locates to the hub. Solid, space, solid, space, solid, space, solid, space, solid, space. The nuts & the stud will fit into the space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Thanx scott really helpful as ever. Altho i feel i maybe wastin yor time a bit dude as the whole spacer/adapter/hubcentric bit confuses the sh!t out of me. Yor advice is prob better spent one someone that can grasp the simple things yor trying to explain I was told hubcentic was best, but i only need 15mm. All i actualy want is the wheel sticking out a bit more. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 As I said see how you get on when you take them to your guy. Hopefully he will be able to say yay or nay:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Thanx scott really helpful as ever. Altho i feel i maybe wastin yor time a bit dude as the whole spacer/adapter/hubcentric bit confuses the sh!t out of me. Yor advice is prob better spent one someone that can grasp the simple things yor trying to explain I was told hubcentic was best, but i only need 15mm. All i actualy want is the wheel sticking out a bit more. Lol They are hubcentric but they are also hub adapters. For that size you are either going to get hassle with having to trim the studs or you will have to get longer ones depending what avenue you take. If your alloys are suitable then you have nothing to worry about, just cross your fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Ok. Thanx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/products/shallow-open-ended-wheel-nuts.html Have just bought 10 of the above shallow nuts. fingers crossed it all fits on well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Look right to me. I think:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 i explained it all to the bloke at driftworks And he seemed to think it'll be fine with those spacers and nuts. Just said the studs on the spacers mite stick out of the alloy wheel a bit more. If so it doesnt matter too much as ky alloys have big sunken bits on the face where the studs go so they sit quite far in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 i explained it all to the bloke at driftworks And he seemed to think it'll be fine with those spacers and nuts. Just said the studs on the spacers mite stick out of the alloy wheel a bit more. If so it doesnt matter too much as ky alloys have big sunken bits on the face where the studs go so they sit quite far in! He is either clueless about your situation or didn't fully understand. The distance the studs will stick out having nothing to do with the spacers, as they are hub adapters. The length of the stud is the length protruding from the spacer. This will not change regardless of what nuts you use on the other studs. Just wait and see, thats all you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilthenut Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 who did you speak to @ DW? there all pretty shit hot when i've had stuff from them for my nissan's-http://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gif with spacers and all things mod'ed japanese DW WILL of seen it before- your in safe hands there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 who did you speak to @ DW? there all pretty shit hot when i've had stuff from them for my nissan's-http://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gifhttp://www.driftworks.com/forum/images/smilies/plug1.gif with spacers and all things mod'ed japanese DW WILL of seen it before- your in safe hands there Well either he/she doesn't have a clue or Jamesy didn't explain it properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Lol scott either could be true i guess!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 You'll be glad to see the back of all this eh bud lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Just for you, The first pic is what you have "Hub adapters". These can be used to change the stud pattern on a car. In this case the stud pattern remains the same but the hub is adapted to be spaced out. I have drawn the pic pretty close to scale so if you look at the standard stud length from the hub, and the thickness of the nut, you can see that they will protrude from the top face of the spacer when they are bolted onto the hub. This means that when the alloys should butt against the face of the adapters the face of the alloy will foul on the protruding stud and nut. The stud isn't so much of an issue as you can cut it but the nut might be a bit of an issue. As you can see the holes that the nuts go into are tapered. The further down this taper begins the less material holding the adapter in place. In my drawing i have gone with what i consider to be the maximum depth that i would be happy with. With my spacers the taper stopped 5mm from the bottom so that there was lots of material between the nuts and the hub face. I have also attached a stock 15mm spacer drawing for reference. BOTH of these spacers are hubcentric. Do not get confused between hubcentric and adapters, you seem to reference the adapter version as hubcentric. Hubcentric simply means that the top spigot is 60.1mm and is perfectly concentric to the back bore which is 60.1mm. Hope that helps explain it a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Hi scott. Thanx again for such detailed response. This is actually starting to make sense to me now !! Yes i will be delighted to get this finally sorted. Cant belive what a drama its been! Well the spacers have arrived and the shallow nuts should be here tomorrow then i can find out what its all about!! If it fails would u suggest i get some normal 15mm spacers then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 For 15mm thats pretty much the norm, adapters are usually for 20mm and over, simply because the nuts will protrude. As i said, even with the 25mm adapters i had the studs protruded 1mm, was a pain in the ass. If you get 15mm spacers you will need 15mm longer studs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethr Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 And if you have aftermarket wheels, don't forget that you still need spigot rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 And if you have aftermarket wheels, don't forget that you still need spigot rings. I would assume they are on his wheels at the moment though? FWIW i custom made my spacers, that way I made the outer spigot suited to the alloys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wierdly enough had tyre changed last week on front and that wheel didnt have a spigot ring was told no big deal but i dont know??? Can u buy spigot rings easy enough?? Looking at your drawing scott i cant see how the 15mm will fit at all now. Am i right in thinkin im gonna have to cut my hub studs down to 15mm so they dont stick into the wheel?? Hmmm strange. Wonder how ad's were ok? Is that down to this webbed thing mentioned already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Strange one this. Like I said I (well Neil) just put mine on and drove a few hundered miles on holiday then everyday for 6 months before getting new wheels. Everything was fine with no modifying to anything, plus the ridehandling was far better then what I had heard before fitting them. Must be something to do with the webbing. Just see how they fit mate and go from there:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Wierdly enough had tyre changed last week on front and that wheel didnt have a spigot ring was told no big deal but i dont know??? Can u buy spigot rings easy enough?? Looking at your drawing scott i cant see how the 15mm will fit at all now. Am i right in thinkin im gonna have to cut my hub studs down to 15mm so they dont stick into the wheel?? Hmmm strange. Wonder how ad's were ok? Is that down to this webbed thing mentioned already? The studs will be the least of your worries, I reckon the nuts themselves will protrude from the flush as well. Why not jack up the car and take a wheel off for a look? Some wheels have a webbed spigot face for weight purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Hmmmm. Well the shallow nuts arrived from DW today. Ive just place one of the nuts inside the spacer and it looks like about 4mm of the top of the nut sticks out on the side where the studs are in the spacer. Like the face bit that the wheel goes onto Am i fukced before ive even put it near the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 You no rissen! Think this is the 5th or 6th time i've posted this. If your alloys aren't webbed then you are screwed. I even drew the nut for you lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Lol i told u im not too quick with this (technical) lark!! Maybe im just reiterating what u said but i see it for myself now what u meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 Well f**k my old boots .... ... Just home from my mates garage and they only bloody FIT !!! i too have webbed alloys and they went on a dream with no modification required! Well pleased. Only issue is as the wheels sit out so far and car is lowered i heard a couple of bangs when i drove over a bumpy road - must be the arch!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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