Spike3.0 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Im a bit puzzled. Had all tyres checked out, all fine. All at 34psi. Had bloke at tyre place take car out said no bangs or rattles to indicate track rods,wishbone , suspension damage etc. Even checked inside the wheel arch and said suspension seems fine ...... But i cannot get any bloody grip in the wet. Going any speed as soon as i take a corner its not really gripping. Im not being a drama queen but feels like driving on ice. Just taken the wifes seat altea out and it grips fine. Wtf??? Got the same on mine here:( It crapped me upto day in the first bit of rain we've had in 3 weeks... Hope it improve because at the min old woman are passing me on the corners in their Corsa's. I'm going to invest in a set of posh tyres and hope that solves it a little - its dangerous at the min [sHOCK][/sHOCK] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I suppose this is aimed at both of you: Are you on throttle or off throttle when this is happening? Are you getting understeer or oversteer? Accelerating or decelerating? If the geo is ok and the car is balanced properly with the throttle the first thing you should get is understeer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well ive tried throttle off and light throttle and i can only describe it as driving on an ice rink, the front and rear tyres dont feel like they have any grip to the road. Its not the backend kicking out its more of the front and back gently gliding across the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 probably shyt tyres or something crappy on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Got dunlop 3000 rears and i cant belive its the road as does it everywhere and my missus car was fine on same roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Does it grip in a straight line in the wet? Yeah when crusing it feels ok in a straight line. Obviously if i floor it the rears would light up big time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Dunlop 3000 tyres are hardly up to the Supra, it was released with the best of the day, I suggest you both change tyres and also get a full geometry check as having a rear wheel slightly out of line will make the car very loose. Been there and done that, either you fix it properly or risk wrecking it. A supra with good tryes and geometry drives grand in the wet. Use a geometry specialist, not just your average tyre man with an alignment bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Thanx mate im taking it to afr who set up their race cars with their geo system i thought my rear tyres were a quality brand? what tyres would u suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yeah when crusing it feels ok in a straight line. Obviously if i floor it the rears would light up big time! Are you auto? Maybe manual mode in this weather would be more apt. If i floor it in the wet i get nothing as i drive in a sensible gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 There are better Dunlops that the 3000's Try Bridgestone RE050A not the run flats, very well suited for the supra. i run 275/30/19 and they only break loose in first in the dry on boost, second it grips all the way unless the clutch is abused. Thats pretty good going with over 600bhp. I run very little camber in the rear BTW, as i find the more generous amounts loose me straight line traction and breakaway noticably earlier in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yes Scott auto mate. So yeah if i floor it it'll slam into 2nd gear and all hell breaks loose. Cheers about manu mate do u think that'll help the general grip feel too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 There are better Dunlops that the 3000's Try Bridgestone RE050A not the run flats, very well suited for the supra. i run 275/30/19 and they only break loose in first in the dry on boost, second it grips all the way unless the clutch is abused. Thats pretty good going with over 600bhp. I run very little camber in the rear BTW, as i find the more generous amounts loose me straight line traction and breakaway noticably earlier in the wet. Thanx mate. Thats the thing my car is soo good in the dry it sticks like sh!t on a stick. In the dry it'll only give a tiny wheel spin off the lights in 1st then full grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yes Scott auto mate. So yeah if i floor it it'll slam into 2nd gear and all hell breaks loose. Cheers about manu mate do u think that'll help the general grip feel too? Just depends what you are like with your right foot. You can get the balance all right or all wrong with it. If you have it in 3rd though and floor it its not going to go mental so it should help. You have to treat the accelerator as it was intended. Why would you need to floor it in the wet? Half way down the pedal should be more than you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Exacty scott. I never floor it in the wet. Infact all the sliding about im getting has occured at very low speeds. Its just like the tread on the tyres have no contact with the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Exacty scott. I never floor it in the wet. Infact all the sliding about im getting has occured at very low speeds. Its just like the tread on the tyres have no contact with the road Pretty worrying then if i'm honest. The trouble is you don't have a neutral as such. As its an auto when you let off the throttle you don't really get engine breaking do you? That should mean you would get LESS of a problem with oversteer if you let off the accelerator. At the moment i would have to blame the tyres. Take it into a carpark and give it a proper test. Sometimes the feeling of sliding can be in your head. Better to be safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Hmmm, maybe !! I'll get the geo sorted and then look at replacing the tyres. Thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Happened to me in a straight line in the rain, I dropped down a gear, the 2nd turbo kicked in and I found myself nearly sideways. I have a theory.... Me too.... you mashed the throttle in poor conditions. 2nd turbo doesn't just 'kick in' without the mashing the throttle part. Plain old bad driving Dunlop 3000's I found surprisingly crap to drive on, Falken FK-452's or Goodyear F1's have way more grip / traction. That said, the low down torque a Supra TT has means wet weather driving is always 'lively' should you wish to push on a little. I had an epic battle with a Corsa VXR once when it was pissing down!!! Every time I tried to get some boost to lose him I found myself carrying the car up straights after roundabouts at a 45deg angle to straight ahead So long as you don't panic and jump outta the throttle it's very controllable - my car had a TRD diff so was more inclined to get lively in poor road conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Im still surprised your managing to loose the rear end in the wet in an auto on acceleration. Iver never done that. :S But then i havent risked WOT in the wet very many times I dont know whats special about my car but even on a roundabout it takes a lot of right foot to unsettle the back end. Im learning i need to give it a bit of a flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Im still surprised your managing to loose the rear end in the wet in an auto on acceleration. Iver never done that. :S But then i havent risked WOT in the wet very many times I dont know whats special about my car but even on a roundabout it takes a lot of right foot to unsettle the back end. Im learning i need to give it a bit of a flick Thats what has got me thinking maybe i have an LSD fitted to my car from before i bought it? literraly cruising around a corner if i even blip the throttle a tiny bit the back end comes out - but i dont have a problem with that as i can (just about) control it.... its the whole car sliding thing that is getting to me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dunlop 3000's I found surprisingly crap to drive on, Falken FK-452's or Goodyear F1's have way more grip / traction. That said, the low down torque a Supra TT has means wet weather driving is always 'lively' should you wish to push on a little. I had an epic battle with a Corsa VXR once when it was pissing down!!! Every time I tried to get some boost to lose him I found myself carrying the car up straights after roundabouts at a 45deg angle to straight ahead So long as you don't panic and jump outta the throttle it's very controllable - my car had a TRD diff so was more inclined to get lively in poor road conditions. I am really suprised about the dunlop 3000's but i guess you guys have more experience with them than moi ... .... when i drove into work today it seems fine on a straight road, even a road with very mild bends... ...but when i come to a sharp bend, at nearly any speed, the car drifts front front front and rear accross the road a bit. maybe its the tyres, or the geo...or both?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 If your not using the accelerator its the tyres and/or the geo. Its been well covered in this thread so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 cheers Scott. must be mainly the geo settings as ive looked thro loads of online reviews etc and the Dunlop Sport 3000's come out very well for wet conditions .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 You're trying to stop sliding........crazy man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Tyre reviews The Eagles are hard to get now, but browsing around the site gives loads of advice. Hope it helps bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Im still surprised your managing to loose the rear end in the wet in an auto on acceleration. Iver never done that. :S But then i havent risked WOT in the wet very many times I dont know whats special about my car but even on a roundabout it takes a lot of right foot to unsettle the back end. I can get my NA auto to step out in wet without too much effort, manual mode 2nd gear should do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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