Racelogic Traction Control without ABS?

I've been thinking for a while about installing a RLTC system, the only problem is I've got a NA without ABS.... (didn't think of that when I bought it...) I'm sure it's possible to install the system, but is it really sensible? I reckon I've got a few options:-

1) You can get wheelspeed sensors from Racelogic, but then you have to find somewhere to mount them, plus I need to have some kind of brackets made up. http://www.racelogic.co.uk/traction/wss.htm

2) I could fit my car with the toyota ABS sensors, but it turns out it's not that straight forward! I always thought that ABS would be a sort of "plug in" option at the factory. But... the hubs and carriers are different on non ABS cars (why did they do that!), so I think you need:-

- ABS Front hubs/carriers

- Rear hubs/carriers

- Rear drive shafts, as these have the tooth wheels on.

- ABS sensors and moutings

And all that doesn't even give you a working ABS system, for that you'd still need: ABS pump, ABS controller, wiring loom with ABS connections, acceleration sensor, all new brake pipes, mountings and connections...

3). Sell my car and buy one with ABS! But I don't really want to do that as I've spent so much time and money on my current one! ... Unless anyone has a really nice Black SZ/SZ-R manual WITH ABS taking up too much room?

I favour the second option, but what's it likely to cost? Anyone got any other ideas??

1) Easiest and quickest, just find a company that can install the sensors and the RLTC, I would never of got mine working, so was glad I took it to Matt H to get the install done, but I had ABS in the first place.

2) That is a bad idea, The amount of cost and time to get that fitted would be horrendous. DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS.

3) Not a bad idea, depends on, as you say, how much you have already spent on your current car.

Option 1 seems the best idea to me. IMHO.

I'd ask a Racelogic dealer. They obviously manage to fit them onto cars without ABS somehow.

An ABS upgrade isn't feasible.

Let me know how it goes, as I'm going to need something similar.

Thanks

Gav

You got a NA !! what you thinking off ???? save your money ... just use some good tyres , and sort your suspension out !!!!

I can't count the number of times I've ended up arse out in my NA. Especially if driving hard.

There's hundreds of roundabouts in Telford, and crappy cars leaking oil.

Fob it off as a bad idea and sell the RLTC to me dirty cheap

I can't count the number of times I've ended up arse out in my NA. Especially if driving hard.

There's hundreds of roundabouts in Telford, and crappy cars leaking oil.

Yup me too. Good fun, but not on a Monday morning on the way to work.... :upside:

 

2) That is a bad idea, The amount of cost and time to get that fitted would be horrendous. DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS.

 

I thought option 1 one might be the easiest, but I got a quote from a scappy for £60 for each front hub. I don't know what rears with drive shafts would cost though. Plus I think (hope) my bearings are ok at the mo, I don't really want to mess!

Been doing a bit more digging.

1) Wheelspeed sensors £250

2) Bits from a scrappy:-

2x Front hub and carrier = £120

2x Rear hubs and carrier = £100

2x Rear drive shafts = £100

None of this includes fitting. But I generally try and do stuff myself. So option one probably is cheaper, I'm just not sure there is anywhere practical to mount the sensors (but haven't looked closely). Option 2, is not a whole lot of dosh more, and would be a neater solution - but there is the potential for putting dodgy bearings on the car !

How difficult is it to swap these bits? What are the knuckle joints like to get off and on? (I confess to knowing very little about this, some parts may not be reusable )

Pretty much decided I'm not going to sell the car, so probably will have to speak a racelogic installer soon!

Interesting speed sensor install story on a TVR tuscan here :

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=5&h=0&t=30071

Thanks for that very interesting. But I'm beginning to get the feeling I'm on my own! Has anyone installed RLTC on a non ABS Supra... or has everyone else too much sense!

....I feel a challenge coming on.

SWensors MUST be very rigidly mounted, and able to maintain a fixed, vibration free close distance from whatever they are "reading". Inner rear CV joint bolts would work on the rear. Maybe you could get them to read the vanes on the vented front discs, or something?

I wouldn't have thought a N/A had enough grunt to justify RLTC.

beg to differ.....

If you pratt about even the NA auto.. you get it to step out....

No problem getting the back out at all.... it's getting it back in thats the tricky part.

Isn't that half the fun of RWD?

beg to differ.....

 

If you pratt about even the NA auto.. you get it to step out....

Have to agree here it 's not the amount of power per say or even knowing you car very well. It's the the fact that the surface conditions can change and will at some point catch us all out. I have felt the brunt of this in many different cars and have always driven with the TC OFF. Now that it has cost me some expensive metal I think that the cost of a little secutiry far outweights the cost of the car .And i shall be leaving the TC on futher cars in crap weather and still have as much fun as in the dry .....not that RTLC is invincible because it will not stop overlandish behavior but it help to get a little more out of a car if you are not a top end driver like me

Isn't that half the fun of RWD?

LOL that will teach me for leaving the Tc off. Would not mind but straight line at 55mph and thats what can happen when you have not enough room to save yourself quick enough. Note to self LEAVE TC ON IN RAIN .

2) Bits from a scrappy:-

 

2x Front hub and carrier = £120

2x Rear hub and carrier = £100

2x Rear drive shafts = £100

 

How difficult is it to swap these bits? What are the knuckle joints like to get off and on?

I'm still weighing up my options Anyone know how difficult it is to swap these parts?

I guess this was never done then?

I see no one mentions the Solaris alternative. It comes completely boxed and is the only serious challenger to RLTC.

Check it out with RyanG. Prices are not that much different.

I see no one mentions the Solaris alternative.

That's because we didn't know about it nearly five years ago.

I guess this was never done then?

if you look at his garage it says he did it, on 4 sensor mode or something..