b_have Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Fitted my Meth injection recently (after Ryan had mapped) so went for a remap today at Surrey RR. Ryan found he could dial in another six degree of advance up top which netted 60 extra ponies Fantastic drive home, my god, 560 bhp is fun! Many thanks Ryan, top job as usual, also nice to meet Tony,Gaz,Darrell and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Good to meet you Charlie. And nice motor! 60bhp is a great result in anyones book and I'll be getting water/meth sometime soon after seeing those results. Very impressive. I was also impressed with how well thought out your whole setup was and i'd love to have a close look at your T61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I don't think he's got a T61 Gaz - not if he's getting 560bhp on a proper dyno! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I don't think he's got a T61 Gaz - not if he's getting 560bhp on a proper dyno! I meant his other car - this one wasn't a T61 by any means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Sorry Gaz, I didn't realize he had more then one. The flash git. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Sorry Gaz, I didn't realize he had more then one. The flash git. Pot and kettle spring to mind... Where were you today? Looking forward to seeing your motor ya flash git Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stevie Boy Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Wow amazing how much extra ponies can be dialed in using meth injection. Well done, Ryan sure knows his stuff! Does this cause a problem using the car if you run out of meth or can the map be switched for use without it whenever?. And Is that using neat meth or water mix? Also wondered when tuning in the meth does it effect how your WBO2 AFR readings should be interperated i.e. AFR of using neat methanol as a fuel i think is like 6.5, so is Meth injection amount using WI kit so negligible AFR is still 14.7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Nice to see you today Charlie Great result there, I'm happy for you I was looked at the dyno chart comparison and your one is very near to mine at the top end (though the torque on yours doesn't drop off quite so quick), maybe you do have stock cams in there? There might be potential for even more power! I was having a think about this on the way home.... With regard to mapping it with the WI, is there any warning system in place in case of the WI system failing? That is apart from the det detection warnings of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Nice to see you today Charlie Great result there, I'm happy for you I was looked at the dyno chart comparison and your one is very near to mine at the top end (though the torque on yours doesn't drop off quite so quick), maybe you do have stock cams in there? There might be potential for even more power! I was having a think about this on the way home.... With regard to mapping it with the WI, is there any warning system in place in case of the WI system failing? That is apart from the det detection warnings of course! Cheers Daryll, interesting dat wasn't it. No warning lights yet, Although I know a man working on just that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Just wondered Charlie what W/I kit have you got ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Wow amazing how much extra ponies can be dialed in using meth injection. Well done, Ryan sure knows his stuff! Does this cause a problem using the car if you run out of meth or can the map be switched for use without it whenever?. And Is that using neat meth or water mix? Also wondered when tuning in the meth does it effect how your WBO2 AFR readings should be interperated i.e. AFR of using neat methanol as a fuel i think is like 6.5, so is Meth injection amount using WI kit so negligible AFR is still 14.7? This WOULD cause a problem if the pump fails or runs dry. I have a det warning light that would indicate that, but looking at a pump failure warning system as well at the mo. Running a 50/50 mix at the mo, has little effect on lambda reading and virtually no fuelling effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Cracking setup this car, Pulls sooo hard. I found i could get some more timing in on the dyno anyway but then relised just how much i could get in with the methanol on. Its a 50/50 setup so water really helps the cooling too was seeing 33c inlet temps on dyno Charlie wanted me to run more boost but 1.4bar is enough for today. With regards to pump failing i pulled 3 degrees of the top end again just to play it safe incase the pump did fail but will be sending the meth map to charlie when he has hooked up his pump monitor system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 Just wondered Charlie what W/I kit have you got ??? Its an ERL system, bought it many years ago for the auto, but never mapped to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Boy Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 This WOULD cause a problem if the pump fails or runs dry. I have a det warning light that would indicate that, but looking at a pump failure warning system as well at the mo. Running a 50/50 mix at the mo, has little effect on lambda reading and virtually no fuelling effect. I see, I think the Aquamist WI kit Lui's got has a flow rate display/guage not sure if you can retro-fit it to your kit. Which might be worth getting as it it could warn you as soon as flow stops or theres a problem with flow rate, dunno how fast a warning the det warning light gives you, bet perhaps being aware of flow issue before det occurs would be safer guard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted September 23, 2007 Author Share Posted September 23, 2007 The PowerFc ecu has a funky det warning feature, the engine warning ! flash at the slightest hint of det. When Ryan is mapping, I can get off the gas seeing the light as quick as his knock box picks up any det. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Some nice results using W/I kit getting mine fitted this Wednesday can't wait I'm fitting latest Aquamist kit too with clever gauge showing what's happening too & fully loaded with safety features as well. See pic below: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7605/hfs5mdh7.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprafan72 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I don't think he's got a T61 Gaz - not if he's getting 560bhp on a proper dyno! whats a proper dyno though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 Not ones that are known to give silly-high readings. e.g. one at TSR, Thor Racing's one. Marlin Motorsports and Surrey Rolling Road both seem to have reliable and realistic ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprafan72 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I wonder how Thor Racing come up with those results.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I wonder how Thor Racing come up with those results.... Well, they cross out 'fly' and write 'hub' Seriously. Either that and they don't bother; but explain to the sucker/customer that 'flywheel' on the print out is a simple error and it really means 'hubs'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Nice one Charlie, Ive bought one of your cars, there is always time for me to have the next. Thats some good power and with your very nice setup Im sure it will be reliable and bring some faith back in single installations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 ...dial in another six degree of advance up top which netted 60 extra ponies . Nice, but hardly surpising though, is it? Glad you tried to tune WI for extra power, instead of the usual 'det insurance' running it on top of a pig-rich setup. There's more where that power came from:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Well, they cross out 'fly' and write 'hub' Seriously. Either that and they don't bother; but explain to the sucker/customer that 'flywheel' on the print out is a simple error and it really means 'hubs'. It's because you can't do a coast down on a hub dyno I believe. Normally on a dyno you let the car coast down from speed to a standstill on the rollers - the rollers then work out how much resistance is being felt and use this to work out the fly BHP. This is why RWHP figures are pretty meaningless IMO, because depending on the number of rollers and how hard the car is strapped down, and where on the roller it is positioned you can get BIG differences in the amount of resistance and therefore torque measured at the wheels due to the tyres deforming. The coast down accounts for this (at least as far as possible) and produces a consistant figure. I think on a hub dyno you just have to estimate the resistance (which is obviously less as there are no tyres in the way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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