wkdtime Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 I have never heard so much bullshit (that's a lie, I read threads here regularly). You have pretty much decided that a car is at fault regardless of anything. You know where the car was hit, where the biker appeared from, what speeds both vehicles where going and in what direction from a few lines of text from somebody who didn't see it themselves? ohhh kaaaay. Do me a favour chaps, don't ever be a jury for me if I go to court for anything will you? Cheers I hope everybody is safe and well regardless of fault or conviction from here. Well said that man. I encounter more bikers driving like loons than car drivers...and what's the ratio of cars to bike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 dont all bikes have to have there headlights on ??? if so why didnt the driver see him. im over cautious at junctions cause i was once a biker . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 But if you took all the cars out and we only were allowed to ride bikes there's be no traffic jams and no more accidents on the road. Then it really would be a wonderful wonderful world I sorry, let me get this right, remove cars and accidents go away??!?! HAHAAHAA!! I have seen a group of 4 bikers crash at 20mph, stuff 3 bikes, 2 broken bones... all by themselves, no car involved... My opinion on this comes down to what really happened... if he heard the bike from hi flat, and his flat is where the photo was taken from, then I am going with the fact that he was doing silly speeds. I am pretty sure that the police can find out what sort of speed was involved, with the amount of damage caused, other vehicles, cameras, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 dont all bikes have to have there headlights on ??? if so why didnt the driver see him. im over cautious at junctions cause i was once a biker . No they don't. And in fact - some past studies have shown that if they do, drivers are much more likely to mis-judge their speed / distance. Having said that, I always used to drive with my lights in. I tried it with / without and found that people pulled out on me a lot more with them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra-lover Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 all new bike have there lights on all the time,, older models don't. but you don't have to have them on. lets just hope the people involved are ok .. dont all bikes have to have there headlights on ??? if so why didnt the driver see him. im over cautious at junctions cause i was once a biker . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 No they don't. And in fact - some past studies have shown that if they do, drivers are much more likely to mis-judge their speed / distance. Having said that, I always used to drive with my lights in. I tried it with / without and found that people pulled out on me a lot more with them off. Whenever I drive, my lights go straight on. That and a BOV help to get more attention on the road... Could BOV sales go up if the safety side was pushed more. Strangely, have had a BOV save me previously... Car pulled out in traffic, with me cruising down a lane to turn left, and this car just pulled out. Took my foot of accelerator to brake, BOV sounded other car braked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 WTF have I stumbled onto the Brake website or something? ffs you'll be chaining yourselves to 4x4's, dodging soap and becoming anti capitalists next. Reminds me of this girl who asked for a lift in my MR2T a few years ago, she missed her bus to take her to a job interview, I asked her why she didn't drive "oh I'm an anti-capitalist so I think cars are moraly wrong". "Get out then love..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleturner Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 I have never heard so much bullshit (that's a lie, I read threads here regularly). You have pretty much decided that a car is at fault regardless of anything. You know where the car was hit, where the biker appeared from, what speeds both vehicles where going and in what direction from a few lines of text from somebody who didn't see it themselves? ohhh kaaaay. Do me a favour chaps, don't ever be a jury for me if I go to court for anything will you? Cheers I hope everybody is safe and well regardless of fault or conviction from here. Apoligies Lewis, my sentence was given for the fact that someone pulled out infront of another person from a junction. Be it a bike, a car or an old person in one of those mobility cars, if you pull out infront of someone and either don't look (which alot of people do lately) or don't do it properly in a safe fashion then your 100% in the wrong. I sorry, let me get this right, remove cars and accidents go away??!?! HAHAAHAA!! I have seen a group of 4 bikers crash at 20mph, stuff 3 bikes, 2 broken bones... all by themselves, no car involved... My opinion on this comes down to what really happened... if he heard the bike from hi flat, and his flat is where the photo was taken from, then I am going with the fact that he was doing silly speeds. I am pretty sure that the police can find out what sort of speed was involved, with the amount of damage caused, other vehicles, cameras, etc. Someone said that too me once and i thought it was amusing But think about it, a dual carrigeway would become a 4 way highlane, it'd be great. As said previously, can's on bikes sound alot louder than cars. I can hear bikes on the A40 and i live 8/9 miles away. Does that mean obvioulsy they are going too fast?? What i read from posts on here there are a few who are anti bike. That's fine, personnally im anti smart cars. I don't know the road to be honest. I don't know if it's a straight road, a slight bend or twists and turns. I don't even know if it's a dual carriagway or a country lane. Fact is still fact, someone has pulled out infront of someone else. Untill someone knows different the one pulling out is at fault, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleturner Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Whenever I drive, my lights go straight on. That and a BOV help to get more attention on the road... Could BOV sales go up if the safety side was pushed more. Strangely, have had a BOV save me previously... Car pulled out in traffic, with me cruising down a lane to turn left, and this car just pulled out. Took my foot of accelerator to brake, BOV sounded other car braked.... Graham, are you really saying your bov was the reason a car decided to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 It isn't car drivers or bike drivers, its drivers pure and simple. It doesn't matter what your mode of transport, its whether you are a good or bad driver, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 I don't give a shit whose fault it was. And neither should any of you lot !! Let's hope the biker is alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Apoligies Lewis, my sentence was given for the fact that someone pulled out infront of another person from a junction. Be it a bike, a car or an old person in one of those mobility cars, if you pull out infront of someone and either don't look (which alot of people do lately) or don't do it properly in a safe fashion then your 100% in the wrong. Someone said that too me once and i thought it was amusing But think about it, a dual carrigeway would become a 4 way highlane, it'd be great. As said previously, can's on bikes sound alot louder than cars. I can hear bikes on the A40 and i live 8/9 miles away. Does that mean obvioulsy they are going too fast?? What i read from posts on here there are a few who are anti bike. That's fine, personnally im anti smart cars. I don't know the road to be honest. I don't know if it's a straight road, a slight bend or twists and turns. I don't even know if it's a dual carriagway or a country lane. Fact is still fact, someone has pulled out infront of someone else. Untill someone knows different the one pulling out is at fault, end of. No need to apologise to me bud, I was speaking generally not at anyonein particular. I know exactly where you were coming from. Whilst it is easy to blame a car driver (because 90% of them are too blind/unfocussed/old/stupid to be on the road), sadly it is also some bikers who give the rest a bad name and so to get into a fault debate is just counter productive really. Like I said before, I just hope all concerned make a full recovery, who was at fault is something for the police to worry about. I have seen two accidents (one where the biker died) which were the fault of the bike rider: 1) biker looked right but had already started speeding up for the overtake, lorry in front braked as slip road traffic pulled out quickly - biker stain on the rear quarter of the truck 2) crossing junction (DC) 4x4 turning left, flashed a car waiting to pull out, biker was impatient and over took going into the car pulling out - biker stain on front wing. Anything can be anybody's fault and quite often is simply bad luck on the part of one or the other. I tend to feel naturally more sorry for a biker as IF they are involved in an accident regardless of fault, they tend to come off the worse for it. Sadly, it comes with the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Bikes do tend to sound like they're going faster than they are. But then again they're usually going a lot faster than the speed limit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 ha ha well said..... only thing i will say about bikes is.......i hate it when they sit right on my ass in my blind spot, that really pisses me off big time. if i knocked somebody off like that i would have no sympathy for them what so ever. Well said bud. I conspicuously ride where I know the driver will see me, if the driver is paying attention that is. Reason why most drivers are taken by surprise is that they're too busy on the phone sitting in their little castle's (cars) thinkin' they own the fu***n' road. Rant over and this does not apply to the tossers on the designer scooters that flit in, out inside outside all the time. Any driver would lose track of those idiots positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Bikes do tend to sound like they're going faster than they are. But then again they're usually going a lot faster than the speed limit.... Wanna view some of the vids on this forum mate. Ain't just bikers who do some speeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Crikey I hope he's ok! I leave my lights on at all times but that makes no difference. Bikes are hard to judge and hard to see. So glad mines going this month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 What i read from posts on here there are a few who are anti bike. I didn't read it like that. I think it was the assumption made by Supra-Lover and others that because a bike was in collision with a car in the circumstances, that there was an assumption that it must have been the car drivers fault, not the bikers. And bacuse of that assumption, it's been picked up on, that's all. I'm not anti bike, I used to love riding, and miss it occasionally, but everytime you go out on it on the road then it's a lottery wether you get to your destination in one piece. The amount of near misses I had because of errors I made or other drivers made i'd lost count of, but they sure did remind you of the fact you're still alive. In a collison, generally someone is to blame. But it should never be assumed just because its car vs bike, that it's the car drivers fault. These things have to be investigated, and nowadays, a collision which is fatal or near fatal is dealt with as a potential crime scene and is thoroughly investigated by professionals (collison investigators) who are generally qualified to a degree level in their field to establish the facts. Whilst I can see from a bikers point of view that it's easy to always point the finger of blame at a car driver when there is a collision involving a bike, it might not be necessarily so. My thoughts are with all of those concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Let's hope the biker is alright. Doesn't sound like they are http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6718123.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Doesn't sound like they are http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6718123.stm Good grief !, thats why I sold mine, just not safe out there on bikes IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Thats pretty Bad. I almost took out a biker once but after that near miss im really cautious at every junction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VELOCITY Posted June 4, 2007 Author Share Posted June 4, 2007 I came off mine 7 years ago and have never got back on mine. My thoughts are with all 3 of the bikers families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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