Issue with Sky Insurance.

[Jake]

I think (not sure) that prior tothe Road Traffic Act 1988 the offence was committed when the documnets were requested and the next step was court!!

 

Nah. Ive been driving since 1982 and got pulled loads in the first few years and never had a problem with not carrying documents.

 

IIRC the producer used to be a 3 day thing back then

[Kranz]

Nah. Ive been driving since 1982 and got pulled loads in the first few years and never had a problem with not carrying documents.

 

IIRC the producer used to be a 3 day thing back then

 

Ahhh, thanks for that. I don't know much about old law (there's no need and my small brain can't even hold the current stuff!).

[boombastictiger]

They cant take your car away just because its not on thier system...They have to prove you are not insured, an insurance certificate PROVES that you are as long as its legit.., if they dont want to accept that its thier problem.. The most they could ask you to do is a producer.

[AdzC]

They cant take your car away just because its not on thier system...They have to prove you are not insured, an insurance certificate PROVES that you are as long as its legit.., if they dont want to accept that its thier problem.. The most they could ask you to do is a producer.

 

This is not strictly true, you have to prove that you are insured not the other way round.

In Lancashire Constabulary now have the power to remove vehicles under s.165 RTA.

If the officer believes that the vehicle is not insured then the vehicle will be recovered and only released when a valid insurance certificate can be produced.

If the insurance company does not have your details on the Police database but you are insured the vehicle can still be taken away. If in this case the vehicle is insured that can be proved and so the vehicle would be released without having to pay any fees. Obviously unless you can prove at the roadside the vehicle will still be taken away.

It is officer discretion but the power only lies with Road Policing Officers here and not section bobbies.

 

 

Hope that clears it up.

[Class One]

This is not strictly true, you have to prove that you are insured not the other way round.

In Lancashire Constabulary now have the power to remove vehicles under s.165 RTA.

If the officer believes that the vehicle is not insured then the vehicle will be recovered and only released when a valid insurance certificate can be produced.

If the insurance company does not have your details on the Police database but you are insured the vehicle can still be taken away. If in this case the vehicle is insured that can be proved and so the vehicle would be released without having to pay any fees. Obviously unless you can prove at the roadside the vehicle will still be taken away.

It is officer discretion but the power only lies with Road Policing Officers here and not section bobbies.

 

 

Hope that clears it up.

 

 

This is where a slight problem lies. The information from the Motor Insurers Database should only be taken as an INDICATOR of wether there is insurance for the said vehicle.Not all insurers are signed up to the scheme, and even then, it is only as good as the information placed upon it. And even then, and here's the good bit : the motor insurers database can only be used for the following reasons when you are stopped by the Police.

 

1) Moving traffic offence (or suspicion thereof)

2) Road Traffic Collision (if you have been involved in one)

3) Pre planned operation. (Road check or static ANPR operation).

4) Information received/intelligence ie using a mobile ANPR. It can't be used as a fishing expedition to obtain info. And everytime its used there is a transaction log.

 

Power to seize uninsured vehicles ONLY lies with traffic officers at present. And unlike most other legislation, the onus of proof lies with the driver to prove that they have a licence/insurance/mot not the other way round.

[AdzC]

This is where a slight problem lies. The information from the Motor Insurers Database should only be taken as an INDICATOR of wether there is insurance for the said vehicle.Not all insurers are signed up to the scheme, and even then, it is only as good as the information placed upon it. And even then, and here's the good bit : the motor insurers database can only be used for the following reasons when you are stopped by the Police.

 

1) Moving traffic offence (or suspicion thereof)

2) Road Traffic Collision (if you have been involved in one)

3) Pre planned operation. (Road check or static ANPR operation).

4) Information received/intelligence ie using a mobile ANPR. It can't be used as a fishing expedition to obtain info. And everytime its used there is a transaction log.

 

Power to seize uninsured vehicles ONLY lies with traffic officers at present. And unlike most other legislation, the onus of proof lies with the driver to prove that they have a licence/insurance/mot not the other way round.

 

Class One here in Lancashire the MID can be used at any time either via radio transmission to comms or one of the mobile data terminals and not the occassions which you have listed (probably quite rightly in the Met)

Edit: However the mere fact that someone cannot produce an insurance document/driving licence/MOT at the side of the road is enough suspicion for a moving traffic offence and so there is always 'ways and means'.

[Class One]

Class One here in Lancashire the MID can be used at any time either via radio transmission to comms or one of the mobile data terminals and not the occassions which you have listed (probably quite rightly in the Met)

 

 

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