See ya - I've had enough

[CJ]

Yep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I assumed we'd have a disclaimer saying that anything posted was 'tongue in cheek' and purely an aid to aggression release. Not difficult.

I would suggest you read up on the law before you post up coments like that.

[CJ]

Yep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I assumed we'd have a disclaimer saying that anything posted was 'tongue in cheek' and purely an aid to aggression release. Not difficult.

Also, when have you ever read an outright racist or homophobic comment that was "tongue in cheek"?

[mawby]

I don't get the need for an "ANYTHING GOES" style forum to be honest. You can discuss nearly anything you want to on here. However, the important bit is discuss. Unfortunately many people are so conceited and immature with there approach to posting on here, that if they see anything that they don't agree with 100% then they will make it their sole purpose in life to make sure everyone knows they don't agree, and they go out of their way to intimidate and even threaten fellow members simply because they have a different opinion to them.

 

For this reason I could see the inclusion of a "ANYTHING GOES" forum just being used to express racist hatred and other cr*p which would either get us shut down or result in us having to moderate it, which defeats the object and would no doubt start a plethora of "This place is over moderated" threads.

[tbourner]

Also, when have you ever read an outright racist or homophobic comment that was "tongue in cheek"?

 

I've made plenty myself!

 

 

 

+ law is all about written words, hence you have to say the right things to the police cos they write everything down. If you write the right things you're covered.

 

Anyhoo I've never heard of a forum being shut down for comments made, and I've seen plenty of racist/homophobic/libelous comments on other forums.

[CJ]

I don't get the need for an "ANYTHING GOES" style forum to be honest. You can discuss nearly anything you want to on here. However, the important bit is discuss. Unfortunately many people are so conceited and immature with there approach to posting on here, that if they see anything that they don't agree with 100% then they will make it their sole purpose in life to make sure everyone knows they don't agree, and they go out of their way to intimidate and even threaten fellow members simply because they have a different opinion to them.

 

For this reason I could see the inclusion of a "ANYTHING GOES" forum just being used to express racist hatred and other cr*p which would either get us shut down or result in us having to moderate it, which defeats the object and would no doubt start a plethora of "This place is over moderated" threads.

[KaoriFan]

don't forget, a racist or homophobic comment may seem a laugh at the time, until you are on the receiving end, to a lot of people thats only when they realise..

 

there should be self-moderating as we are all adults. we can all have a laugh, but would have thought we all know certain lines to not cross.

 

if we can't discuss things like adults and not resort to personal attacks when things go bad, what is the point.

[KaoriFan]

as for over moderating, well, we got to this by way of many of the recent racist and personal attack threads. so many must actually take some responsibility. can't lay it all on the moderators of the forum. though i do agree some threads have been closed prematurely for no reason.

 

maybe more thought should be given to what is said, dont want forum turning into 'Eric Blair land', due to a lot of what goes on

[tbourner]

I think the mods should be like the police, do as they say or else get off the forum, I've always been against peoples complaints about over-moderating. If the mods do something or delete something, live with it don't post another thread asking where it went.

 

I'm a homophobic racist anyway and I don't think many (if any) of my posts have been deleted (although I'm sure quite a few have been discussed in the mod forum).

[Terminator]

I think the club has had some close calls in the distant past, but as far as I know not actually been taken to court, due to some serious behind the scenes work by moderators.

 

If someone really must, verbally, have a go at someone, as soon as a third party is involved, it can become a legal matter. With the potential of the millions vewing the offending comments the third party issue is irrelevant.

 

There will always be keyboard warriors, therefore moderation and sometimes removal of potentially damaging material is essential. If no restraints are applied the club would soon be a wasteland.

 

We are all very different people brought together in a vertual club, by one common factor only. In the real world I am sure that all of us would have nothing to do with a number of members of the club and probably take posative action to avoid them.

 

Perhaps some people should find out a bit more about the outside world.

[Nick]

Well as Nick mentioned (and I said in post #13 actually! ), we should have a completely free and open forum (or at least a sticky NWS thread) where 'ANYTHING GOES'. Even if mods moved any aggressive posts into that thread it'd be better than deletion (as that gets people annoyed it seems).

 

I know you did, I agree

 

Edited to say free and open members section, not the whole forum.

[Class One]

I thought this forum was for enthusiasts for the mkivsupra? Not a sounding board for all and sundry.

 

The internet is a BIG place, and there are all sorts of websites to cater for everyones needs. If you feel the need to spout off racsist or homophobic etc, stuff then find elsewhere to do it. Sure we're a diverse bunch of individuals, but we're here for one thing. If you feel that you can't abide by the rules of the club, then perhaps you should consider your membership here. Sure the club has to be flexible and adapt as time goes on, but it should be rigid in its principles. Thats not being elitist, its about clarifying what the club wants to be and how it expects its members to behave. The club rules are clear,they're not restrictive, and being a member here has benefits of belonging. 95% of us have contributed to benefit of the club, brought something into the community, had a laugh and a joke, exchanged different views had rows, shared joyous moments in our lives, sought advice, offered advice, helped people out, things that you should be proud of.

 

Sometimes (to plagarise JFK here) it helps to ask yourself not what can the club do for me but what can I do for the club.

 

We can't have a rant anything section, even if a disclaimer is posted. And even if we could, do we as members of this club really want one? Honestly?

[Ian R]

I don't

[tbourner]

We can't have a rant anything section, even if a disclaimer is posted. And even if we could, do we as members of this club really want one? Honestly?

 

I do, but I also agree with everything else you said. I mentioned having a 'rant' forum for the very reason that we are becoming so diverse that there are some members who feel a need to 'let off steam' at other members. If one forum was set aside where nothing was stopped, which as a bi-product would mean it shouldn't really be taken as absolute fact either, then 'those' individuals would have somewhere to go.

 

I've not got a problem with following the rules, if a mod tells me to do something I'll argue my case rationally and off the public board until a suitable resolution is agreed, then stick to it. I'm fighting for the people who can't do that - we WILL always have people here who can't follow the rules and want to be heard above everyone else, why not allow them to do that away from the rest of the forum; which is where it becomes a problem?

[Class One]

I do, but I also agree with everything else you said. I mentioned having a 'rant' forum for the very reason that we are becoming so diverse that there are some members who feel a need to 'let off steam' at other members. If one forum was set aside where nothing was stopped, which as a bi-product would mean it shouldn't really be taken as absolute fact either, then 'those' individuals would have somewhere to go.

 

I've not got a problem with following the rules, if a mod tells me to do something I'll argue my case rationally and off the public board until a suitable resolution is agreed, then stick to it. I'm fighting for the people who can't do that - we WILL always have people here who can't follow the rules and want to be heard above everyone else, why not allow them to do that away from the rest of the forum; which is where it becomes a problem?

 

Because that's not what the club is for. They can do that anyway by sending a pm. Mods are here to help, as well don't forget. If they cant adhere to the rules of the club, then that is the sort of member who should be considering their membership as I said before. The club isn't here to accomodate individuals who can't adhere to the rules. As i said, the club/forum rules are not restrictive and they set out an expectation from members.

[mawby]

we WILL always have people here who can't follow the rules and want to be heard above everyone else, why not allow them to do that away from the rest of the forum; which is where it becomes a problem?

Ths simple answer would be that if these people can't control what they put in their posts, what's the chance that these same people can stop themselves replying to a thread, go off to the rant forum, start a new thread and manage not to post something so offensive or threatening that then gets the thread moderatored straight away? Very unlikely I think. The people who would use it would be the people that don't get moderated in the first place.

[KaoriFan]

let's see, a few things:

 

if someone has a problem with another member and its going on in a thread, you can acutally sort it there, if you are adults. if on the other hand, you just want to personally attack someone then that should be done out of thread.

 

as for a separate 'rant' or otherwise section, it is entirely possible to have one, if there are set rules, no racism, no homophobia, no personal attacks.

 

personally, i don't see need for racism, homophobia, personal attacks (to the degree some have been), on a forum that is primarily there for Supra fans, but also to hang out with friends.

 

i agree, forum moderators are there to help. so what is the opinion on the Steve Irwin jokes, considering the guy hadn't been dead 24 hours.

once the Irwin jokes had done the rounds, maybe a moderator could have gone in there and said 'enough already, the guy hasn't been dead long'. some of them were funny for an instant, until you realise the guy is dead.

not sure how that would look to new members or people contemplating joining the forum.

 

there are rules to be followed by forum members, just as there are a set of rules for any forum moderator. so long as everyone is on the same page, there is no problem. out of interest has anyone ever been banned for racism or homophobia.

 

thought the whole point to be here was for cars, and to have a good time and a laugh with friends. that is why i am here.

if you want racist or homophobic stuff, thats easily found on the net.

[Clarkey]

I'm suprised this thread is still going .. I thought it was just a "Goodbye thread." .. and if Lewis wants to be nolonger an active member .. fair-doos.

 

No offensive intended Lewis, just your inital content of this thread seems to me of an attention kind of thread.

If it isn't, then fair enough. But would've thought - you'd have PM-ed Mawby with your thoughts/feelings .. and then just stopped posting.

[tbourner]

as for a separate 'rant' or otherwise section, it is entirely possible to have one, if there are set rules, no racism, no homophobia, no personal attacks.

TBH not much point if there are any rules, all or nothing IMO.

 

personally, i don't see need for racism, homophobia, personal attacks (to the degree some have been), on a forum that is primarily there for Supra fans, but also to hang out with friends.

It's more than a Supra fan site though, that's the common link but it's definitely a community, and in a community with a large number of people from all different walks of life there's naturally going to be conflicts. Similarly there's going to be 'adult' people who sort out the conflicts, and then there's the 'less mature' people who whinge and shout about the conflict.

I'm suprised this thread is still going .. I thought it was just a "Goodbye thread." .. and if Lewis wants to be nolonger an active member .. fair-doos.

That's the point, he was saying (as others have) that there are now too many of these 'less mature' members, and therefore naturally more of these shouty whingey threads appearing. It's an impossible situation to deal with whilst keeping everyone happy unfortunately.

 

so what is the opinion on the Steve Irwin jokes, considering the guy hadn't been dead 24 hours.

once the Irwin jokes had done the rounds, maybe a moderator could have gone in there and said 'enough already, the guy hasn't been dead long'. some of them were funny for an instant, until you realise the guy is dead.

not sure how that would look to new members or people contemplating joining the forum.

This is another problem, some people will see things differently to others, and some will be offended by something that another person will find hillarious, so do we move for the lowest common denominator and delete everything mildly offensive? Do we set rules for EVERYTHING and have strict limits on things (such as time after death that a joke can appear)? Or do we open a thread where 'anything goes' (joke - I'm guessing the majority are against this idea - fairy snuff)!

 

I'm guilty of being CRAP at putting my opinion across in a way that everyone can understand (just search for posts by me including the word hitler! ), usually if I read it back the next day I hate me too , I use too many brackets I think (I've had brackets in brackets before {like this}). So what can I do? If I post an opinion that's 'close to the mark' and then log off for the night, all hell could've broken loose in the morning because the first person to reply took it the wrong way!

 

 

 

Jeez this is a long post!

 

 

 

 

What I'm trying to say has now escaped me.

 

Basically mods have a hard job, and keeping everyone happy is never going to happen. I'd suggest the mods just not giving in to people, do what you want, if people don't like it and leave - fine.

[KaoriFan]

TBH not much point if there are any rules, all or nothing IMO.

 

 

It's more than a Supra fan site though, that's the common link but it's definitely a community, and in a community with a large number of people from all different walks of life there's naturally going to be conflicts. Similarly there's going to be 'adult' people who sort out the conflicts, and then there's the 'less mature' people who whinge and shout about the conflict.

 

That's the point, he was saying (as others have) that there are now too many of these 'less mature' members, and therefore naturally more of these shouty whingey threads appearing. It's an impossible situation to deal with whilst keeping everyone happy unfortunately.

 

 

This is another problem, some people will see things differently to others, and some will be offended by something that another person will find hillarious, so do we move for the lowest common denominator and delete everything mildly offensive? Do we set rules for EVERYTHING and have strict limits on things (such as time after death that a joke can appear)? Or do we open a thread where 'anything goes' (joke - I'm guessing the majority are against this idea - fairy snuff)!

 

I'm guilty of being CRAP at putting my opinion across in a way that everyone can understand (just search for posts by me including the word hitler! ), usually if I read it back the next day I hate me too , I use too many brackets I think (I've had brackets in brackets before {like this}). So what can I do? If I post an opinion that's 'close to the mark' and then log off for the night, all hell could've broken loose in the morning because the first person to reply took it the wrong way!

 

 

 

Jeez this is a long post!

 

 

 

 

What I'm trying to say has now escaped me.

 

Basically mods have a hard job, and keeping everyone happy is never going to happen. I'd suggest the mods just not giving in to people, do what you want, if people don't like it and leave - fine.

 

 

 

i can see where you are coming from

 

personally, the only rules i would set are - no racism, no homophobia, no personal attacks. when i say this, i mean when used in a vindictive way, it can be ok if it's in a joking way between friends - we know each other's humour, so can figure what is a laugh, and what is not . pretty much anything else would be ok imo. i am not one for censoring anything, in truth. but somethings i just feel are a bit 'out-there'. i just dont think many would go the racist, homophobic route.

 

you make a very good point "It's more than a Supra fan site though, that's the common link but it's definitely a community, and in a community with a large number of people from all different walks of life there's naturally going to be conflicts. Similarly there's going to be 'adult' people who sort out the conflicts, and then there's the 'less mature' people who whinge and shout about the conflict."

and i agree, thats exactly what i feel. we have Supra's sure, but without the community, it is just a tech site. would meets even take place without the feeling of community on this forum. everyone has made the forum a fun place to hang out, with the variety of subjects covered, from Tech to Fun. the original moderators have done great over they years

 

for the Stingray joke, i was going to put this in my original reply, but left it out. i did find the BBC/Stingray shot ok. but when George Best died, if i had made liver jokes etc, wonder how many Best fans would have jumped on my case, as he was a 'hero' to many. Those threads got heated enough without anything else adding to it. not that i would have done the jokes.

 

i like this "I'm guilty of being CRAP at putting my opinion across in a way that everyone can understand (just search for posts by me including the word hitler! ), usually if I read it back the next day I hate me too , I use too many brackets I think (I've had brackets in brackets before {like this}). So what can I do? If I post an opinion that's 'close to the mark' and then log off for the night, all hell could've broken loose in the morning because the first person to reply took it the wrong way!"

 

you express your views fine, from what i have seen, no problems here. i probably annoy many with some of my views as well, and afterwards wonder sometimes if i should have said that.

 

hmm. shall we have an argument about brackets or parentheses, j/k

[Bob]

Why on earth do people NEED to go onto a car owners forum to rant about non-car related items? Go somewhere else ffs

[ChrisSZ]

Why on earth do people NEED to go onto a car owners forum to rant about non-car related items? Go somewhere else ffs

 

Coz it's more than just a car forum to many - it's a community/socal group (just not very social at times LOL)

[KaoriFan]

Coz it's more than just a car forum to many - it's a community/socal group (just not very social at times LOL)

 

but so true.

 

hmm, wonder if there will be Forum ASBO's one day, hehe

[tbourner]

Actually I was contemplating saying parentheses in my reply instead of brackets.