jonc Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Hi all, A newbie with a mark Iv question. I am close to doing a deal (maybe!) on An imported non-turbo but I have a question about the milage. the clock reads 14500 KM. Does this mean 145000 Km (don't Supra's have 6 digit milometers?) or is this really this low. coz by my sums 14500Km = 9300 miles (ish) and 114500= 74000 miles ish!!!. Also the seller reckons he's converted to MPH but looking at the clock it only go's up to 120MPH, which I beleive is just a change of face. Can anyone enlighten a newbie on this before I make myself look a right T**T:whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Hi and Welcome The clock is indeed 6 digits and that display could be either km or miles (or a combination of both. Is this a fresh import or are you buying from someone in the UK? If its a fresh import then you should be very careful, if its in the UK do you have a link to the add, someone here might know the seller or the car... You're correct about the clock face, 120mph means someone it hasn't been converted electronically to mph. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonc Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 Homer cheers for that, so that means this car has covered either 14500Km or 14500 Miles,is that right? I thought the clock was a bit dodgy. What would I expect to see on a correctly converted clock (my imported Celica goes up to 150 MPH). The seller is local and does the odd import GTO's, GTR's etc.But this is the first Supra I have seen in his garage. He says he has imported it but I haven't seen the documentation yet (thats my next inspection once I've sorted these questions out) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 The mileage really depends on when it was converted. If its only just been done then it'll be 14500km (but now recording in miles), if its been driven since the conversion then who knows (say 10000km, then 4500 miles). It is very low mileage though so should be in absolute showroom condition. ANY sign of wear to pretty much any trim should mean alarm bells! I've seen one of the members cars here who had a 14000km car and it was like new, not a single mark to be found anywhere. The clock face thing shouldn’t be too much to worry about, all it means is someone has slapped a 120mph face on it. The standard jap clock has a 180kph max speed, to save converting the speedo some people just change the face to show 120mph where the 180kph bit should be. If its been properly converted then it should have 180mph as the top speed on the clock (this is who some people just stick an "M" sticker over the "K" in the kph bit ) Ideally, take someone who knows Supra's with you before buying the car. Someone from here might be able to help - where is the car located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonc Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 Good point with the trim. There seems little wear in the seats and carpet but the centre console around the handbrake has seen better days (quite badly scratched):thumbdown . The car looks lovely but I'm not getting a good feeling about it. I think I will take another look tomorrow. From what I can gather the dealer converted it (or whoever imported it for him), but I'm weary of this guy as he has been caught clocking before (big fines all around). The car is in Plymouth but it's only the third one I have looked at and although I'm fairly good with cars this is a big step from my GEN 5 Celica. Watch this space:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotasuprauk Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 It could display 145000. After all its a Toyota they are so reliable they need to be able to display super high milage. But 14500km seems a bit too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 If you are having doubts about the car then walk away. As homer says, the interior and exterior of the car should be spotless. better still, offer him a price for the car assuming 12K miles per year for the car as he cant guarantee the mileage of the car....OR CAN HE?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Its really shouldn't be marked at such a low mileage. Whats the price, and do you have a link to an add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 As for the BIMTA Certificate if it is a fresh import? As for the auction certificate if it is an import? Check whether the seatbelt retract properly, has it got a standard steering wheel, what about the wear on the brake / clutch pedals..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonc Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 No links guys infact I don't remember it being advertised ( I drove passed it on the forecourt!). He's asking £5495. It's fitted with a body kit (unsure which one as I'm still learning all things Supra), Brand new 17" wheels (fitted by dealer). I will pick off the reg tomorrow and have a look through his paperwork see if I can find any clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShox Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 cmon there is absolutely no way it could possibly be that cheap with that mileage...what age is the Soop again??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Question - why go for a NA when you can now pick TTs for not much more, I've seen some Supra TTs advertised at ridiculously low prices on the forum recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 If you can, get the VIN details from the badge on the drivers side inner wing. We should be able to tell you exactly what the car is. If the mileage was correct that could be a good price, but it with the wear you mention its more likely to be clocked (especially if this is an early car). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonc Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 TT/NA? enlighten me (like I said a big step from my GEN5 celica!). I agree with Dshox thats why I don't have a good feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 TT = Twin turbo NA = Normally Aspirated Big, big difference in power (and to a lesser degree, cost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonc Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 Now I understand!! I did not want to go straight into a twin Turbo (expense experiance etc.) This would not be my only car (family car is a repmobile). 1 step at a time guys:blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShox Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 i mean less than 10,000 miles for a 2002 is crazy. for a 93-96 is just wacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Now I understand!! I did not want to go straight into a twin Turbo (expense experiance etc.) Well, some people like to learn the hard way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Don't assume the TT is any more expensive to run or maintain that the NA, generally is isn't. The NA is cheaper to buy, but thats about it. So long as you don't do silly mods the TT will cost you much the same to run as an NA and probably be cheaper to ensure (crazy I know). I'm not "anti-NA" or anything, just don't want you to make the wrong assumptions about your choices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Homer...you talk some sense into him.... On the other hand....why bother...all the info it on the forum anyway.....we've done our bit by bringing it to his attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 If I were you, Id use this car as an exercise in what to look out for, mentally log everything you see, good and bad, then walk away. Theres a lot of good ones out there, any doubts (dealers history is a biggie) will take the shine off what appears on the face of it as a bargain...sounds like varnished woodworm to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyotasuprauk Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Also £5500 isn't really cheap for a NA anymore. £4500 is NA money now. The NA is a good car though, much more reliable than the TT and a great place to start with Supras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 A dealer with convictions for clocking cars is selling a 10 year old car with 14k miles on it? I'd be walking away already. The cheapo way he has done the speedo conversion doesn't exactly add confidence either. Why has he replaced the wheels? I would have expected the low mileage standard wheels to have been in very good condition - perhaps they gave too much of a clue as to the car's real mileage. One other thing, check the width of the wheels - front and back, and the tyre sizes. Some dodgy car dealer have been known to stick some very odd sized wheels and tyres on newly imported Supras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra-alex Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Question - why go for a NA when you can now pick TTs for not much more, I've seen some Supra TTs advertised at ridiculously low prices on the forum recently. on our roads in this weather !!!!!!!!! cu later......ive already heard/seen 4 soops gona, and 2 m3s !!! in 3 weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 on our roads in this weather !!!!!!!!! cu later......ive already heard/seen 4 soops gona, and 2 m3s !!! in 3 weeks... Care to explain further? I didn't understand a word of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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