jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 OK, so you have a car, it has 100bhp (flywheel) and it has 50% drivetrain losses. It's rear wheel figure is 50% of 100 = 50bhp Reversing the calculation, you were saying I have 50 rear wheel & 50% losses, so I add 50% of 50bhp (which is 25bhp) getting a total of 75bhp flywheel (which obviously isn;t what we started with). What you need to do is divide the rwhp figure by (100 - the loss) as a percent. So from our example rwhp / (100 - 50) is 50 rwhp / 50 * 100 = 100 flywheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 She got 337whp, say he didnt give her a fly figure. She comes on here is told 10-12% is a reasonable loss, so she gets picks a figure in that range say 11.86% of the whp, then adds it to the whp, does'nt that amount to the correct fly figure ! Using that the figures add up. Dyno printout figures. 377fly 337whp 40 loss Theory after not getting a fly figure from dyno operator. (337/100)= 3.37 = 1% whp 3.37(1%) x 11.86 = 40 337+40 = 377 fly Both match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 OK, so using your above example, a car has 377 flywheel bhp & 11.86% drivetrain loss, what is it's rear wheel horse power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 OK, so using your above example, a car has 377 flywheel bhp & 11.86% drivetrain loss, what is it's rear wheel horse power? What ever the dyno tells me 377/100=3.77 3.77 x 11.86 = 44 377-44= 333 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 What ever the dyno tells me 377/100=3.77 3.77 x 11.86 = 44 377-44= 333 So you're telling me the car has 333rwhp, but only a second ago you told me it started off with 337 rwhp. So we've lost 4bhp, where has that gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 And continuing from there, 377 - the 44 loss = what? Updated it, pressed post by mistake before putting the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Updated it, pressed post by mistake before putting the final. Yeah I saw , I've updated my post too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) So you're telling me the car has 333rwhp, but only a second ago you told me it started off with 337 rwhp. So we've lost 4bhp, where has that gone? So it does'nt work in reverse but Ill never need to calculate whp, the dyno will do that and loss isnt a constant same % anyway, using 22.5% you wont lose 225 on a 1000bhp car ! Edited January 3, 2009 by Supra-Dupra (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 So it does'nt work in reverse but Ill never need to calculate whp, the dyno will do that , I think we'll leave it at that then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 So it does'nt work in reverse but Ill never need to calculate whp, the dyno will do that and loss isnt a constant same % anyway, using 22.5% you wont lose 250 on a 1000bhp car ! No you'll lose 225 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Got there before ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Are there any requirements to understand 1st Year GCSE Maths before joining the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Got there before ya Aye ya buggar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Aye ya buggar Ah ya cheeky git edited my quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Ah ya cheeky git edited my quote. Well I had to let the world know the real figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Dupra Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Well I had to let the world know the real figure I've been up since 6.30 to go to a dyno day till 5pm, not really absorbing any of this tbh, some sleep and a read over it again is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) Anyone fancy analysing my dyno printout from a while ago? i never understand them that much Doesnt help the torque is in Nm, the guy who was doing the driving said it was the bigest torque figure he had seen on a bpu car. :S And i lost 80 odd hp from the fly to the wheels. Is that reasonable? BPU TT Auto UKspec btw. Have to admit its not the best picture engine - 383 bhp wheel - 303 bhp drag - 80 torque - 514nm Edited January 3, 2009 by Guigsy (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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