eyefi Posted August 18, 2002 Share Posted August 18, 2002 anyone got ceramic hybrids? where did u get em? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 I think all hybrids are steel for the extra strength etc. Why not just go for steel internals instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 Not heard of Ceramic Hybrids....though they could be out there! Probably your best bet is to search through Google or something like that. Looking at Nick Harris's signature he has a JUN Twin Turbo arrangement might be worth asking him exactly what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted August 19, 2002 Author Share Posted August 19, 2002 im more interested in response and low mid range. i really like the stock sequential ceramic setup and would not be interested in upgrades if i cant improve on that. theres a company in the uk who advertise ceramic hybrids, but i think all the work is carried out in japan. not many places in the world have investment in the equipment required. i cant remember the name of the company who advertises in the uk, ill dig it out and see if anyone has heard of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted August 20, 2002 Author Share Posted August 20, 2002 "universal turbos", anyone heard of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Hybrids are steel due to cost. To make ceramics would be far more expensive & are obviously not as strong when running high boost. A nice T88 with ceramic wheels would be good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 I think Nightpager or maybe JUN do something with ceramics. If I were you I would send an email to the guys at http://www.takakaira.com - they seem to stock every known brand of jap tuning stuff under the sun, so they'll have the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedgehogSandwich adi Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 I think universal turbos fit ceramic bearings rather than ceramic turbines. adi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Originally posted by HedgehogSandwich adi I think universal turbos fit ceramic bearings rather than ceramic turbines. adi Why? Is it just to reduce rotating mass? Does it take more punishment? How much of a difference could/would they make? Me thinks someone needs to do more research...I vote for Eyefi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Couldn't wait.... Universal Turbo's - Performance Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 And where is the science ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Agreed - all claims, fancy wording, and nothing to back it up. Reminds me of [censored] This also fails to instil me with confidence. Check out the random capitalisation and the spelling: "Universal are the UNITED KINGDOM Distributor for THE American BASED COMPANY, Turbonetics INC, WHO MANUFACTURER Torque-Master, THE Ceramic Ball Bearing Turbocharger" However - all this doesn't *actually* mean it is a load of horse puckey... More research required... -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Having said all that, Turbonetics stuff is very good. I am sure it's all based upon Garrett internals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted August 20, 2002 Author Share Posted August 20, 2002 these rnt the only turbo company who hail the benefits of ceramic bearings. ill try and find the other urls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Originally posted by Ian C Agreed - all claims, fancy wording, and nothing to back it up. Reminds me of [censored] ............. it is a load of horse puckey... More research required... -Ian ^^^ That wouldn't be that shady 'Mycroft' character would it? [edited by admin, you know what I removed....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 I self-censored my post as I didn't want any fan clubs descending upon me. I let the more intelligent members fill in the blanks themselves Moving swiftly on, I'm interested to know what the deal is with a) ceramic vaned big mofo turbos and b) ceramic bearings. Hunt those url's, eyefi! -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Ian C I self-censored my post as I didn't want any fan clubs descending upon me. I let the more intelligent members fill in the blanks themselves Moving swiftly on, I'm interested to know what the deal is with a) ceramic vaned big mofo turbos and b) ceramic bearings. Hunt those url's, eyefi! -Ian LOL Anyways, back to topic. I remember seeing a nice little Toyota badge on an MR-2 GTS (import only turbo version) that read "Dual entry Ceramic Technology" as if it was a big thing. Are Ceramic Turbo's / Turbo's with Ceramic bearings the new performance king? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted August 21, 2002 Author Share Posted August 21, 2002 http://www.howstuffworks.com/turbo4.htm http://www.timken.com/industries/superprecision/applications/extreme.asp http://www.turboneticsinc.com/faq.html http://web.inter.nl.net/users/turbo-team-europe/compress.htm http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/sturbo.html http://www.turbocharged.com/catalog/t3t4.html http://www.turbocharged.com/catalog/ceramic.html just to get u started, i think we need some sae papers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Taken from your last link eyefi: "The NASA inspired angular contact, CERAMIC BALL-BEARING design (Patent pending) practically eliminates thrust bearing and operational surge failures. The CERAMIC BALL-BEARING system can safely handle 50 TIMES more thrust loading than conventional turbochargers, making it ideal for severe transients and extreme pressure ratio applications" The way that paragraph reads, Ceramic ball-bearing Turbo's are the way of the future. It seems you can go for a bigger Turbocharger without the inherent lag of old. Taking this paragraph into account also: "TURBONETICS CERAMIC BALL-BEARING turbochargers are winning races and setting new records all over the world. Rapid “spool up”, excellent transient response and unequalled durability combine to make the CERAMIC BALL-BEARING turbo the ULTIMATE TURBOCHARGER for successful race-cars and boats on tracks everywhere. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 VNT (Variable Nozzle Technology) is where the turbo's of the future will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 More boost with less lag is definitely a good thing, but everybody has different claims for how it is achieved! Perhaps in a ceramic bearing, the individual balls can have a smaller surface area (because they are harder) so you get less friction on the shaft, and you can get it spinning quicker . . . Sounds like rubbish to me because the effect on friction slowing the shaft is negligible compared to the two real causes of lag - high inertia of the larger compressor wheel; and the a/r ratio of the exhaust wheel, which can either be high for improved exhaust flow and good top end performance, or low for good response and minimal lag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyefi Posted August 21, 2002 Author Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Terry Saunders VNT (Variable Nozzle Technology) is where the turbo's of the future will be. true, cant wait till its affordable. thunder, there is less friction with ceramic bearings, giving faster spool, but big heavy blades still dont help things spin quickly. the ceramic blade technology is nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 Originally posted by Terry Saunders VNT (Variable Nozzle Technology) is where the turbo's of the future will be. Wasn't that Variable Vane technology once? Some mainstream diesel engines have them now, if my mind isn't playing tricks on me. I have no idea how they work... -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 I think variable vane turbos alter the pitch of the turbine blades, and VNT alters the size and shape of the exhaust housing to alter the a/r ratio. Very cool idea, the test will be to see whether they can alter it over a wide enough range . . . your turbo could be a CT12 at low revs, and magically expand up to a T88 at 6000 rpm . . . how cool would that be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 That about somes it up Adam. It will happen. If only the FIA hadn't banned turbo's in F1 we'd have it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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