DamanC Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Am i right in thinking that owning a copy of vista OEM entitles the owner to an OEM key for XP? Ive been handed and incorectly ordered laptop with vista on and it needs XP on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 Doink, pointers appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I don't believe it will, as your license is for Vista, not XP.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I don't believe it will, as your license is for Vista, not XP.... It's backwards compatible. I'll find the official lit for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/5/5/f5573dbc-e4d9-464f-953c-4eacea2a38c1/VL_downgrade_rights.doc Rights to OEM versions of systems software are granted in the OEM License Terms. The OEM License Terms for most OEM versions of systems software do not grant downgrade rights. The exception is the OEM License Terms for Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Windows Vista Business, and Windows Vista Ultimate, which grant downgrade rights. See the full text of the OEM License Termsfor the specific downgrade rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 More info... The Process to downgrade is as follows: • The customer buys Vista Business OEM • They then install XP Pro OEM (with a disk they previously bought) and they also put the Product Code in off the previously activated version. • The Install will then (most likely) fail activation and you will be prompted to call the activation line. • Then your customer explains that they have Vista Business OEM and wish to use "downgrade rights" and they will ask them a few questions. Usually: COA Number Product Key for the Vista and the Disk id (eg X04-00135) on the Holographic disk of the Vista Business • They will then give them a product key to activate the Windows XP • Your customer then ships the PC with the Vista Sticker on the PC and the Vista OEM Disk with the PC. Please be aware, you can not do this process to gain an XP install then install Vista on another PC as this is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Aaah, I was wrong, didn't know that, figured M$ would be a bunch of bastards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 so basically you still need a copy of window XP and a product key to install it with, so if you bought a pc with vista and you don't already own XP your fucked microsoft style. i do love the fact that p.c. world ,dell and all the other big system builders are enforcing Vista onto everyone , my P.C. sales have soared as we still ship them with XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 so basically you still need a copy of window XP and a product key to install it with, so if you bought a pc with vista and you don't already own XP your fucked microsoft style. i do love the fact that p.c. world ,dell and all the other big system builders are enforcing Vista onto everyone , my P.C. sales have soared as we still ship them with XP You pay for the license, not the media and CD key. It seems you're quite within your rights to borrow those. We are an MS Gold partner and OEM Systems Builder and are being forced down the route of supply of Vista rather than XP as supply will simply dry up. What I posted above is an email from our distie informing MS Partners how to get around this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 so basically you still need a copy of window XP and a product key to install it with, so if you bought a pc with vista and you don't already own XP your fucked microsoft style. i do love the fact that p.c. world ,dell and all the other big system builders are enforcing Vista onto everyone , my P.C. sales have soared as we still ship them with XP You can ask for XP not to be loaded or claim it back from Microsoft. I've done this on a system before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 i do love the fact that p.c. world ,dell and all the other big system builders are enforcing Vista onto everyone , my P.C. sales have soared as we still ship them with XP grrrr the next person that walks up to me at work and says "I bought this laptop for £399 from PC World with Vista on. But its going really slow and PC World told me its because I'm playing advanced graphical games like Minesweeper on" I'm gonna knee cap'um! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 More info... The Process to downgrade is as follows: • The customer buys Vista Business OEM • They then install XP Pro OEM (with a disk they previously bought) and they also put the Product Code in off the previously activated version. • The Install will then (most likely) fail activation and you will be prompted to call the activation line. • Then your customer explains that they have Vista Business OEM and wish to use "downgrade rights" and they will ask them a few questions. Usually: COA Number Product Key for the Vista and the Disk id (eg X04-00135) on the Holographic disk of the Vista Business • They will then give them a product key to activate the Windows XP • Your customer then ships the PC with the Vista Sticker on the PC and the Vista OEM Disk with the PC. Please be aware, you can not do this process to gain an XP install then install Vista on another PC as this is illegal. Right, i had found my way that far But..... What happens if there are no previous versions of windows in reach of the customer? IE new install. What im trying to work out is how legal is it to install XP OEM with a generic key and a dodgy disk or even an orginal one from the support pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 You pay for the license, not the media and CD key. It seems you're quite within your rights to borrow those. We are an MS Gold partner and OEM Systems Builder and are being forced down the route of supply of Vista rather than XP as supply will simply dry up. What I posted above is an email from our distie informing MS Partners how to get around this. the only reason we use it is because we get it all for peanuts on the Action Pack Subscription as for borrowing xp disks and product key that fine for the likes of us but there's a hell of a lot of domestic users that will be saying "WTF do i do?" and all my corporate customers sure wouldn't do it because: A: it takes too much time and hassle B: its less hassle to buy from a small OEM System builder and have XP Installed from scratch You can ask for XP not to be loaded or claim it back from Microsoft. I've done this on a system before.. Truthfully how many people are going to do that? only people in the know ,normal people will just put up with it grrrr the next person that walks up to me at work and says "I bought this laptop for £399 from PC World with Vista on. But its going really slow and PC World told me its because I'm playing advanced graphical games like Minesweeper on" I'm gonna knee cap'um! lol Didn't you know that the guys at P.C. world are the probably the best knowledge base on Vista:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 MS have to allow downgrading if they're going to force Vista on their customers - they know full well that it SUCKS (as all their O/S's do until they fix 'em later). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 the only reason we use it is because we get it all for peanuts on the Action Pack Subscription I thought that originally, but Action Pack license isn't for full time use or something like that. I forget the wording, but basically they want you to use it for testing and development, not your full time OS. The corp customers should be buying volume subscription type licenses that they're pushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I thought that originally, but Action Pack license isn't for full time use or something like that. I forget the wording, but basically they want you to use it for testing and development, not your full time OS. The corp customers should be buying volume subscription type licenses that they're pushing? yeah i know about the testing which is what we use it for ,thats why we keep paying all the yearly renewals. as for Volume type licenses well not too sure on that one we still get IT Admins asking for disks for each individual P.C. ,plus i make more money supplying the XP OEM with new p.c's build by us. :d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 i make more money supplying the XP OEM with new p.c's build by us. :d That's why I don't know much about it either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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