Soonto_HAS_soop Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 How can the emanage be hooked up to an NA with the distributor to alter timing? I have an install I have to do on my brothers car, which isn't an Soop but uses a dizzy, and I need to understand if it is possible to control the timing somehow. If I can understand if it can work on a NA soop, then I can understand if it is possible to implement on his car. Ian C, can you help, oh Emanage God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 AFAIK you can't use it on a distributer motor, at least not the timing map, as it intercepts the timing pulses to the igniter's/coils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Ian should be along shortly but.... I have the blue on mine and he said it should be possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 If it's single coil 4 cylinder distributor, you apparently need to: Use Ignition channel 1 only. Set the first rotary switch to position 2 (single coil, 4 cylinder, distributor) JP2 needs to be on pin 2-3 I think If the distributor is entirely mechanical then you are shafted, but if the ECU controls when the spark should fire in some fashion, then that's the wire to cut and plumb into ignition channel 1 input and output. Aside from the ignition stuff, you need to find out what sort of airflow sensor it uses If it's hotwire you can choose pretty much any hotwire sensor off the list. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 If the distributor is entirely mechanical then you are shafted, but if the ECU controls when the spark should fire in some fashion, then that's the wire to cut and plumb into ignition channel 1 input and output. -Ian Not 100% mechanical, it apparently has a control unit that can retard the timing by 3 degrees if it senses knock twice in a 16 cycle period. That was the one that I was going to cut into. I'm not sure if it will allow degree by degree retarding though, or whether I will be stuck with the 3 degrees that the ECU currently uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 That sounds nasty TBH I think you are forging ahead into unknown territory Start with seeing if you can read the sensors and then if you can adjust the fuelling, leave ignition stuff until last. I'm leaving this in Supra tech because it may be of interest the the NA-T boys -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 LOL, that was my plan, the rest is pretty straight forward as I have the wiring diagrams for the ECU and pinout points. But I need to investigate the 3 degrees part of the equation. For a side note for the NA-T's, is there any ECU involvement with the dizzy on the NA's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 The other option is to replace it with an electronic ignition, something similar to what is done on the morris A-series engines.... Effectively you rewire the dizzy to run low voltage, and then put a few coil packs in instead... Might work and would certainly give you more control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 http://users.mrbean.net.au/~rover/electron.htm#Triggering%20Methods http://www.denaploy.co.uk/autocar/index.html These aren't the same as the units, I was talking about... but they do give some good ideas... The units I have seen allow you to then take the 6 leads running out of the dizzy and give you 6 discrete 12v feeds, which can then go into 6 discrete coil packs... it would be here that the emanage would fit into I would say. As far as coilpacks go, something like a VW VR6 coil pack MAY do the job since it is a one piece unit but it has 6 discreet outputs which you can then run the HT leads to plugs. By keeping the dizzy still attached to the engine, you will still have the standard advance and retard features that dizzy has, but you will have the additional emanage functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bromy Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 The guys in the US are using the AEM ECU with the ignition swapped over to TT colipacks, wonder if this would be possible with the e-manage? Does it have full control over the ignition on the TT set-up or does the main ECU still have some input? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I'm currently putting together something similar but not on a supra... I'm taking an A-series engine (Morris Minor) and converting it to fuel injector system with electronic ignition using a megasquirter, not doing it for any real reason other than I fancy a challenge....(and a-series engines are cheap should the enivitable happen...) And I'm putting a charger on the lump for the same reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 There isn't much docco around this in the E-Manage Blue manual. There is more in the Ultimate manual about converting distributor to electronic ignition but I haven't really read up on it, not having had the need to... Having just had a shufty, it looks like the EMU can do something like converting the dizzy to individual ignition but I wouldn't like to try it with the Blue, I don't think it has the capability. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 I'll read up a bit more on the standard 3 degree retarding system as I don't want to have to start isntalling electronic ignition to his car, far too much work for my liking. If the standard 3 degree thing can be tapped into, then I will make a removable connection to see if it works as OEM, if not I will then plumb in the EMB and see if I can alter it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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