Jake Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 If that's the case, why did you edit Rob's post and remove "as I had been beaten." from it. Sorry, I don't believe you.....Actually, if you look at the 'last edited' time on Rob's post it seems that he changed it after Ewen quoted him. I think I owe Ewen an apology. Sorry Ewen - I was wrong. It's an easy thing to miss, this 'last edited' business. Edited for spelling and clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 If that's the case, why did you edit Rob's post and remove "as I had been beaten." from it. Sorry, I don't believe you..... Sorry andrew7, not guilty...he originally wrote 'I raced for approx 1/4 mile where on I slowed and stopped' He edited his post at 23.37, after mine. Look for youself. Its too serious a subject to fuck around at, maybe he will confirm it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted May 23, 2006 Author Share Posted May 23, 2006 Fair enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump gas pete Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I have to confess I am not a great lover of the Police. In spite of having a foster brother who ended up being a senior Police officer and a class one driver. In his early years (and mine )Police Officers were allowed to exercise "common sense". There were times when my ears were chewed off for some misdeameanour like chopping a right turn or drifting over a white line. To this day I do not do either. Times have changed and speeds and traffic volume has increased beyond belief since those halcyon days. Human nature, however, has not changed. Young people and some oldies will still try to "prove" themselves against another. This is human nature.. The more the state restricts "competition" in schools , football , cricket swimming etc. the more youngsters will try to prove themselves later in life in cars and on motorcycles . The state imposes more and more restrictions to try and "save" them from living and dying . The more restrictions the more the Police are disliked. Young Police officers are taught that they are the upholders of the law. The uniform must be obeyed. Most people on this site will come into contact with the Police only with regard a motoring offence. No matter how trivial the policeman will go for a conviction. Youngsters who make a genuine mistake will get points and a dislike of the police. (I personally would use the word hatred but I am being nice about this) Young people DO NOT have the "common sense" connection in their heads when driving. You cannot batter it into them. You cannot fine it into them and you cannot ban it into them. Take them off the road too early and they will never learn to drive well and safely later. What has this to do with street racing? By any definition we all do it. Whether you are beating the bus away from the lights to a full on race on the public highway ......somewhere in there is all of us......including the Police who, if you watch the Police Camera type programmes enjoy their "legal" street racing as much as all of us. And my points.... Any one who loses a loved one to a premature death has everyone on this sites sympathy. NO amount of rule making can eliminate the risk of living. The dangers of street racing is in the eye of the beholder...in this case polce officers. They COULD apply "common sense".....They could have a quiet word.....They could issue a warning that if they caught him again...... Instead they are taught to issue the summons. The guilty verdict is issued by a 20-30 something year old bloke in a uniform whos judgement may be at fault but.....how do you Prove beyond reasonable doubt that his judgement is wrong? and what you were doing was safe in the circumstances. You cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Actually, if you look at the 'last edited' time on Rob's post it seems that he changed it after Ewen quoted him. I think I owe Ewen an apology. Sorry Ewen - I was wrong. It's an easy thing to miss, this 'last edited' business. Edited for spelling and clarity For the forum record, as I said in PM to Jake, absolutely no worries.... Id like to add that I posted originally to put a point across....not have a cheap go at that guy. I dont know him but I certainly dont mean him any harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamanC Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Group hug I feel for you btw sourer dude, for a guy in a uniform to go "yup, he was definately racing" is a scary power they now have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatSport Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Post of the Week there Pete ..... nail on the head m8. I have to confess I am not a great lover of the Police. In spite of having a foster brother who ended up being a senior Police officer and a class one driver. In his early years (and mine )Police Officers were allowed to exercise "common sense". There were times when my ears were chewed off for some misdeameanour like chopping a right turn or drifting over a white line. To this day I do not do either. Times have changed and speeds and traffic volume has increased beyond belief since those halcyon days. Human nature, however, has not changed. Young people and some oldies will still try to "prove" themselves against another. This is human nature.. The more the state restricts "competition" in schools , football , cricket swimming etc. the more youngsters will try to prove themselves later in life in cars and on motorcycles . The state imposes more and more restrictions to try and "save" them from living and dying . The more restrictions the more the Police are disliked. Young Police officers are taught that they are the upholders of the law. The uniform must be obeyed. Most people on this site will come into contact with the Police only with regard a motoring offence. No matter how trivial the policeman will go for a conviction. Youngsters who make a genuine mistake will get points and a dislike of the police. (I personally would use the word hatred but I am being nice about this) Young people DO NOT have the "common sense" connection in their heads when driving. You cannot batter it into them. You cannot fine it into them and you cannot ban it into them. Take them off the road too early and they will never learn to drive well and safely later. What has this to do with street racing? By any definition we all do it. Whether you are beating the bus away from the lights to a full on race on the public highway ......somewhere in there is all of us......including the Police who, if you watch the Police Camera type programmes enjoy their "legal" street racing as much as all of us. And my points.... Any one who loses a loved one to a premature death has everyone on this sites sympathy. NO amount of rule making can eliminate the risk of living. The dangers of street racing is in the eye of the beholder...in this case polce officers. They COULD apply "common sense".....They could have a quiet word.....They could issue a warning that if they caught him again...... Instead they are taught to issue the summons. The guilty verdict is issued by a 20-30 something year old bloke in a uniform whos judgement may be at fault but.....how do you Prove beyond reasonable doubt that his judgement is wrong? and what you were doing was safe in the circumstances. You cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Thanks for the support guys I wouldn wish the terrible state of my life now on my worst enemy I just hope others can heed this warning & not have to go through what I have. What made it worse was my so called solicitor wasn't up to date on the law change so when I found out in the dock I honestly nearly cried! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 blimey, sorry to hear that, very harsh consequences indeed, especially with all the repercussions in your career and personal life. how can racing be clearly differentiated from normal spirited driving, that bit is rather worrying. I take it that it was fairly clear cut in your case, had you both stopped side by side and then gunned it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 yer that was the case and it was 2 traffic cops, they then told me they had video footage. So I said as little as possible. In the end they had no footage but the weight of there story was enough for the court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted May 23, 2006 Author Share Posted May 23, 2006 What made it worse was my so called solicitor wasn't up to date on the law change so when I found out in the dock I honestly nearly cried! I hope he has amended his bill accordingly. Not much point in having him there really if it is fixed penalty..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 He didn charge me for the court appearnace but I think I'll see wheather this equates to negligance and sue him, I have nothing to lose from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Did you have any points before? Was racing on the public highway the only thing you were convicted for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Did you have any points before? Was racing on the public highway the only thing you were convicted for? It doesn't matter if you have a clean license there is no court discretion for this offence it is 12 month ban minimum. No points a straight ban. There are life and death special circumstances but what reason can you have for racing???????????????? No other offences were entered, fuck why bother when they know this one alone is gonna screw ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I have often wondered about this before (usually when in a small, swift convoy) ! We fairly often travel in a two or three Supra convoy, and may have exceeded the speed limit (as you do) on occassion. Although I've never raced another Supe in my life, and we nearly always stay in the position we set off in, to the cars we pass, it may look like a "race" ie. two or more cars travelling at speed. If the police chose to, they could look on our fast convoy as a race... If they did, it would be impossible to prove we were not racing ! Not sure where I'm going with this reply... Just made me thought again.... G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 It doesn't matter if you have a clean license there is no court discretion for this offence it is 12 month ban minimum. No points a straight ban. There are life and death special circumstances but what reason can you have for racing???????????????? No other offences were entered, fuck why bother when they know this one alone is gonna screw ya. Just asking... if you don't want to answer I understand. Seems like there's maybe more to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Just asking... if you don't want to answer I understand. Seems like there's maybe more to it. No no I'm being honest, I'm hoping others won't get caught as I did. I had 3 points for an accident I had, my fault, 1500 pounds total, i was driving to close to the car in front. she slammmed on the anchors a bumped her. This was 2 years ago, so unrelated, not taken into consideration. Racing on a public highway MS50 as I was charged with WAS a sentanced with points and a fine. NOW is has been changed by parliment. The sentance now is a minimum 12 month ban, you cannot be imprisoned for the offence but it is an obligatory/ mandatory ban. The court have no discretion unfortunatly as given my situation I doubt if 10 seconds of stupid behaviour would have warrented this. I was completley un aware of how serious this offence was now, I honestly believed it would points and a fine. Imagine how I felt when the NEW law was explained to me whilst I was stood in the dock! That puts it as just not as bad as drink driving, or dangerous driving for which you can be imprisoned, and have to take the extended test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I don't believe the law has changed, the courts can still apply anywhere between 3-11 points (check with the DVLA if you don't believe me). Which would put you into auto ban territory. Unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 The directgov website says than an ms50 is a 3-11 pointer. Not a mandatory ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I don't believe the law has changed, the courts can still apply anywhere between 3-11 points (check with the DVLA if you don't believe me). Which would put you into auto ban territory. Unlucky. Nope wasn't totted up was banned for MS50 The information on the DVLA was last ipdated over a year ago, it says at the bottom of the page. I have no reason to lie, I'm just trying to help others Phone a solicitor if you like or the Police ask them. MS50, racing on the public roads carries a mandatory 12 month ban, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/arc67.asp?pID=68149 Please look here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSoarer2.5TT Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Also go back to the DVLA and see the points scale for Drink Driving 3-11 which is for special, life or death situations. But we all know it's an instasnt ban. There isn't really a viable excuse for racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 yer that was the case and it was 2 traffic cops, they then told me they had video footage. So I said as little as possible. In the end they had no footage but the weight of there story was enough for the court That seems to be a normal ploy. I was tugged for driving my Triumph bike on the North Circ at 0730 on a Sunday morning by 2 traffic cops who insisted I was doing 85mph, they said they had video etc and were pushing me to make it easier on myself by admitting it. Thing was I knew I wasnt going that slow, the road was clear and empty and I was pushing it so I stuck to my guns and eventually they gave up. I really feel for you Rob, and as said in another forum I hope this cloud returns with a big silver lining for you and your missus. As a matter of course I always ask to see the 'video' evidence if told there is some as 90% of the time they only turn the camera on after the event and are trying to get you to admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DON Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 sorry to hear about this rob i feel sorry for you mate you must be right down at the minute but there's light at the end of every tunnel. the law in this country is a total joke and enforced by a majority of fcukin clowns. i dont agree street racing one bit its stupid and dangerous but in cases like yours i think the police and courts want to look at the way they treat illigal immigrants who run kids down and get 8 months or sex offenders who get the most pathetic sentences ever seen. lads like you go to work pay your taxes and has done something stupid held your hands up are sorry not hurt anyone and your about to lose eveything. it really pisses me off i fcukin hate this country and the tossers who run it. best of luck for the future rob i hope something turns out good for you:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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