Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Did anyone get anywhere with the E- Manage thing? Cliff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I've been speaking to Cliff, he's not near getting everything installed yet but he's been in contact with Pete Betts and apparently mapping hybrids with it is a 3 hour job due to not having done one before. I've got my mitts on one now and looking at the instructions and all the other info I've found about it, it seems logical enough. I reckon Pete could map a SP67 setup in six hours or less with the E-Manage. Still looking around at single turbo options as an excercise, I asked Kean at Boostlogic some stuff about his turbo kit but didn't get a reply - not very confidence inspiring -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Ian, Kean is pretty busy, and at one stage would only deal through me. Send me the mail & I will resend the questions, or I could probably answer some of them. I would love to know your feelings on the e-manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I think it looks great, it's anodised blue No, really, the big discussion we had a while back over E-Manage vs blank aftermarket ECU has saved me a couple of thousand pounds at least, and I was dead set on the aftermarket ECU as "doing it properly" at the start of it. Researching the E-Manage has shown me that the control of fuelling and ignition timing is perfectly do-able and you still use the stock ECU for idle-up and cold start etc., which saves a large amount of mapping time (£) to get it not as good as stock... The usual problems with airflow fudgers are ignition timing and lack of range on the stock boost sensor. The E-Manage can control the ignition timing either direction and has it's own boost sensor to allow adjustment over the stock limits of boost. And it's got a good resolution, 16*16 maps. It's complex but seems user friendly. I'm quite excited about using it, shame I haven't got an application for it yet -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Doesn't our map sensor read only upto 18psi? How can you adjust fuel and ignition at 1.6 bar without getting a map that can read higher? Does that mean the E-MANAGE has its own Map? No idea how to go about this? I am seriously considering the AEM with Map of 3 bar for my single upgrade only dreading tuning it!! Maybe Paul can help..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Randy, read Ian's reply again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Read it Terry..... having its own boost sensor yes but where does it read boost from? And to what extent 3 bar 4 bar? Guys in the US seem to think its useless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Randy I haven't seen the sensor so I don't know the placement, but the inlet manifold would seem a good source... Mohd, who I have a lot of time for, seems be be having good success with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Mine came with 3 bar map sensor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Where have you mounted the map sensor? What happens to the OE unit and the signal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Hey Terry, Did you ever speak to my mate Pat about mapping your autronic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 i had it mounted on the bulkhead.....but it was connected to the E01 boost controller then to E-manage.It uses another map page once to go past the stock sensor. You can map boost ignition timing for example....coupled with EGT and wideband O2 its a great introduction to this black art without high cost . Mohd is the top dude in the US for E-manage.....and runs the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by Wez Hey Terry, Did you ever speak to my mate Pat about mapping your autronic? No Wez, but I need some fine tuning done after Christmas, I must call him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Let me know if you need his number again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Terry is the autronic ems more user friendly than the AEM? I am not sure which I should go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 The autronic is not plug compatible and is very similar to Motec as the guys who run autronic are old Motec engineers. I am sure Terry can extend further, oooh errr missus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Wez, I have it in my mobile. Randy, I am Bias.The Autronic is superb, but the AEM is PnP, which will make it far easier overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 How good is the auto tune function? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I assume you mean on the Autronic ( a few do it now). It works well, but you still need a decent mapper for the nasty bits. It is also very difficult to hold the car on the loads sites whilst on the road, so a rolling road or chassia dyno would be a big advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I have never tried the automapping on the AEM, some people like it others hate it, I personally would prefer it to be mapped properly by somone with experience. I have also heard of the auto mapping leaving some nasty holes in the maps so you still need it fine tuning anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_TC Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Leon is currently fitting the e-man and profec e-01 to my mkiii. Probably no use but thought I'd let ya know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 I thought the E-Manage chewed up and spat out the ignition signals the MkIII uses? Or have you used Bishop's inverter circuit? -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_TC Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 It advances ok, just doesnt retard it. So i believe they just retard base timing by 10 degrees and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Is it a must to use the HKS DLI (capacitor discharge ignition) with the Autronic? Also what sort of $$ are we talking for the autronic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by randy Is it a must to use the HKS DLI (capacitor discharge ignition) with the Autronic? Also what sort of $$ are we talking for the autronic? The only reason this is needed with the AEM is because the AEM runs the ignition in waisted spark instead of direct fire which is the stock setup, therefore your coils are getting half the charge time. AEM also make there own CDI ignition but do not think anyone on this side of the pond is running it yet. Not sure about the autronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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