JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Totally hypothetical question here:innocent: A driver has been issued with a small fine attached to a producer (where within 7 days he/she has to go to a named police station and show driver's licence, insurance and MOT) The driver is not bothered, thinking that everything is fine. The driver finds out on the last day (of the 7-day period) that the MOT had expired on the day he/she was stopped. What are the options here? 1. Get a new MOT and go after the 7-day period and try to show the docs. But what are the chances that they will check the MOT date and find it not to include the day of the 'producer'? 2. Go to the police station and come up with an excuse for not finding the current MOT 3. Do not bother going to the police station at all, and take his/her chances that it will 'slip through the net'. The associated fine will have been paid of course. 4. ??? Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 take docs in now, if they notice the mot date, then he was on his way to a garage when he got stopped, if they ask for the new one, it obviously had failed and it has been in the garage since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 What if that card can't be played because the car was stopped on a Sunday when MOT stations are shut. This would also involve the MOT station to lie about the car being booked (and staying there for days) which can easily be verified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 it was being taken to a place for safe storage as the mot was expiring that day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 OOOOO difficult one. I'd personally take the producer in and say to the guy behind the desk that you thought you had another month left on the MOT. Have an MOT slot booked and ready. Its very easily done forgetting to MOT your motor. Unlike tax and insurance where you get a reminder. Hopefully the guy behind the desk will see this and common sense will prevail. Hypothetically of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 it was being taken to a place for safe storage as the mot was expiring that day That won't work. John said the MOT had expired, i.e. none...They will tell you it should have been transported..... Failing to produce documents will probably get you in worse trouble than being done for no MOT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 ...Hopefully the guy behind the desk will see this and common sense will prevail.. But what if the guy behind the desk is stroppy and uncooperative? what is the worst they can do? Send the driver to court? Arrest and torture? Dismember until the truth leaks out? I'm sure people here have been through such cases time and again, so the real-life consequences of each option must be known, right? Percentages would do. Hypothetically of course. We've already established that. It's a purely hypothetical scenario:d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Be a man and take the punishment. No mot isn't an endorsable offence if memory serves me right, so hypothetically come clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 class one are you saying no MOT is just a fine then? I think my dad got caught without an MOT was just honest and said look sorry i had no idea it ran out. He was driving a 4 yr old car, so they gave him a week to get MOT'd that was it. Is this car new or old? would you say it looks like a rusty mk4 escort or a ferrari straight from the garage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 ...Is this car new or old? would you say it looks like a rusty mk4 escort or a ferrari straight from the garage The former Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 tricky then as i think obviously you have the basic law of a car needs an MOT, now the obvious question to you.....do you think the car would pass or more definatly fail? I think if this ever happened, you'd have to go down be honest say you didnt realise it ran out say it was one day after...(show MOT) explain if it wasnt for them you wouldnt known and havent drove it since and is now booked in for an MOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 If you do not produce you WILL be summonsd for:- No Insurance, No MOT and NO LIcense. Then you Have to go to court to produce. Easier to do all teh docs at the police station and plead to the MOT.... unless he is missing some other docs perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Rob_ Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 A mate of mine had a similar situation. got pulled, no MOT. he got a court summons, £60.00 fine, not endorsable. i got one similar for no insurance, even though i had insurance, i just couldnt find my certificate. i produced with me insurance schedule. the cock behind the counter reported my for failure to produce and driving without ins. i had to go back with a valid ins cert within x number of day. i couldnt be arsed, then 3 months down the line recieved a court summons. by then i had a cert stating my cover so all charges were dropped. summary...: if you dont produce, the coppers will a) come round to see your docs b) summons to court i think if you get a court summons theyd come down harder (bigger fine) cos your wasting court time etc, when it could be delt with in the police station. i would...: a) find a friendly MOT station and ask him to back date it a week (or whatever the date is b) expain yourself at the station, dont wait for a summons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Rob_ Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Oooh, just thought...new MOT's cant be back dated can they?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 i would...: a) find a friendly MOT station and ask him to back date it a week (or whatever the date is b) expain yourself at the station, dont wait for a summons. i think thats risky...id rather take the £60 fine and a slap preferably without the slap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 NO its all online to the DVLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 go to a late night cop station thats what i used to do because they are half asleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 The driver may have been taking the car to the garage that day, to leave there for a week until a new MOT could be issued. In the meantime, that driver may have not driven the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 It has to be a pre booked MOT only for that rule to apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 So if someone hasn't got a valid MOT certificate covering that date, then they get a court summons 1. if they go to the police station with the rest of the documents 2. if they do bugger all and get the summons through the post. So what is the gain of going down the first route? Either way you're looking at a magistrate without a valid MOT right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 It's the same as dealing with the taxman John. If you make em chase you.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gzaerojon Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Be a man and take the punishment. No mot isn't an endorsable offence if memory serves me right, so hypothetically come clean. is it true that no MOT = no insurance? as it is void Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 No not at all. If you insurance company deems the car to be roadworthy then they will payout minus 20% ish. If they deem it not to be they can insist on the certificate. All null and void now anyway with teh advent of the new mot's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 It's the same as dealing with the taxman John. If you make em chase you.............. That's what I'm getting at. It works both ways though. They may chose not to chase if they feel it's not important enough. The wording on the 'slip' is refreshingly vague: "...failure...may render you liable for prosecution..." Like a cop-out clause from insurance smallprint. They want to keep the option open for doing nothing. Just wondering if this might pass 'under the radar' so to speak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 That's what I'm getting at. It works both ways though. They may chose not to chase if they feel it's not important enough. The wording on the 'slip' is refreshingly vague: "...failure...may render you liable for prosecution..." Like a cop-out clause from insurance smallprint. They want to keep the option open for doing nothing. Just wondering if this might pass 'under the radar' so to speak... i guess they'd do a check on you to see if you've got any speeding points, anything else in recent times etc... my brother filled in a penalty for speeding and sent it back saying he was driving, he never heard back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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