Pig Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Ok some of you may know that i recently put hybrid turbos on my car and on their test run one blew. (at least were pretty sure thats what it is, sounds like mark has been very busy so we are still not 100%) The thought of putting my old turbos on and being £1000 down was really not very appealing. Now i need to decide how to do this as i am on a very limited budget. I cant afford to do it all at once so want to run something at low boost for a while till i can clear more mods and afford them.... prob wont be very long knowing me! lol Oh and regards the FMIC, thats a no no for now. Wanna blag one thing at a time. So may consider putting in a restrictor ring to keep boost low if thats whats needed! Thanks in advance for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 Oh and my next quick question. When my car is up in the air (uk spec) only one wheel turns until you accelerate up to about 40 mph. Is this the diff or is it a prob. E.g. do i have an LSD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 If you wanna keep costs down then i'd do what Branners did - T61 using stock UK 550 injectors and SMIC i think, fuelling done with a SAFC i think. Still hasn't been mapped lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 migs would require a full set up kit mate, manifold, wastegate, downpipe/midpipe, oil pipes, intake tube and filter. be careful what you buy mate, honestly. You can always call or text to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 it will have an LSD if it has the orginal UK diff mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 Will give you a bell in about 45 mins if thats ok buddy! Regards LSD, SHIT so there is something wrong with mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURT Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 dont quote but looked at this before i bought my kit, the rest of the kit will cost about £2000. then injectors and other fuelling mods to cope, then you need to think about ecu or piggyback etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 yes mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 dont quote but looked at this before i bought my kit, the rest of the kit will cost about £2000. then injectors and other fuelling mods to cope, then you need to think about ecu or piggyback etc If John gets a T61 he will be OK with his 550's mate, pump etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I'll check your diff this week mate dont panic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 John, did you get an FMIC in the end? If so, go for a BL budget kit...and use an eManage to tune it. £1800 for the kit with a T61 £450 for an eManage Ultimate £200 for a fields harness. + mapping (Ian C should be able to help there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURT Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 If John gets a T61 he will be OK with his 550's mate, pump etc sorry fella, i meant if he used the T67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 T-67 is not a cheap option, you must put some decent fueling in to run a 67. You can run a 61 on 550cc injectors and use a SAFC to control it all. Thats how mine is setup and it works fine. My SMIC is shot so I wont run more than 1.2bar and wont setup the boost controller until I have it mapped. I recently got a Emanage Blue so thats going to go in soon. If you want to go budget I would do the following t-61 turbo proper manifold (only go for budget manifold if you are certain you wont ever upgrade to a bigger turbo, and Im not sure Vortex still do them..) fuel computer (SAFC (£120 approx), Emanage Blue (£150 approx) fuel pump (not essential if you keep boost down to 1 bar or so) aeromotice Fuel pressure regulator (not essential if you keep boost down low) You can fit a t-61 without the SAFC and just run it as is, just dont run a lot of boost. If you run with just the wastegate and no boost controller I think that should be fine. So it can be done cheaply. Im still running stock BOV as well. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 T-67 is not a cheap option, you must put some decent fueling in to run a 67. You can run a 61 on 550cc injectors and use a SAFC to control it all. Thats how mine is setup and it works fine. Yup - mine too & works a-ok. If you're on a tight budget, what might be an idea - if you go through with Terry / Mark .. what equipment is must have & what is nice to have .. and make a list. That's what I did. Just to expand on JB's list .. What about an AFR gauge ? So, you can tune the SAFC-2 prior to getting it dyno-ed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I agree with Branners in all but one thing. Get one of Arnouts manifolds, IIRC they cost less than a tubular and are far better than the budget manifold. As for a FMIC I am comming to the conclusion that with a T61 you dont need one, I have recently do some testing and my 10 year old stock SIMC seems to be holding the temps down nicely and thats at 1.4bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Ok on stage 2 now. Hoping to fit a T67 kit but having problems because of the Airflow meter. Could anyone with a uk please tell me how they have got around this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 t67 on 550's, brave man! what problems with the MAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 will go to 650's. Will be too restrictive. Terry is the man to ask what the problem is. He is specing it all up for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 The stock MAF becomes a restriction. As I explained to John it may be OK but cant promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Emanage ultimate, map ecu or better to remove it. The americans have got some decent power with the MAF still in place, may be worth researching what they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 The MAF is a PITA if you are using a 4" intake on the turbo. Cause it's only 3" in diameter so you lose airflow instantly. The MAF can also cause reversion - double reading and stalling due to an Atmospheric BOV. I never fully got round this with my VVTi but the UK maybe better. Your cheapest option is an eManage Blue and use the Antistall. The eManage Ultimate can remove the MAF...this is why I suggested it. Your BEST option though is an Fcon or AEM. This is why we've all been saying stick with a small single. Do a small single cheaply or pay through the nose to get a bigger single and have it work. The MAP ECU is an option to remove the MAF but I've heard of throttle and memory problems with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Yes do a small single, so that I can get Migs 67!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Shame, looks like that sort of money on ECU's and mapping is just getting a bit crazy! T61 it is then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Shame, looks like that sort of money on ECU's and mapping is just getting a bit crazy! T61 it is then! Good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 it is the best option John, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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