Scoboblio Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Right, I can stand it no longer. I'm fed up with being told that we "all have to act now!" to avoid climate change, stop driving such evil, baby slaying cars, and turn into tree-hugging, vegetarian, bike riding hippies (ok I made that last bit up). So why do I keep seeing adverts for complete wastes of resources like; Disposable use once toilet brushes Disposable use once dusters Disposable use once toothbrushes (little things in packets that you put on the end of your finger). All of this stuff is terribly convenient but completely unnecessary, and surely the factories making them are producing much more harmful emissions than I'll ever manage in a life-time. Why should I worry about decatting my car for the extra performance when it seems that corporations are allowed to waste as much energy as they like giving us better and better ways to fill up land-fill sites? *takes deep breath* Ahh that's better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yeah they piss me off too. Totally wasteful and unecessary. And lazy. ...and I detest they way they are marketed: "Ooh! Germs! Germs! Throw them away! Begone begone! You could be harming your child / pet / loved ones. Your baby's highchair could be harbouring more germs than your toilet floor. You could be a guillable twat and actually buy this stuff. Yep. I hate them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supralookin Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Don't worry! You won't be here when the Earth is flooded and Alien's take over the planet! Either that or we'll swelter in the heat like outta "Total Recall". I wonder if our eyes would pop out like they did to Arnie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yeah they piss me off too. Totally wasteful and unecessary. And lazy. ...and I detest they way they are marketed: "Ooh! Germs! Germs! Throw them away! Begone begone! You could be harming your child / pet / loved ones. Your baby's highchair could be harbouring more germs than your toilet floor. You could be a guillable twat and actually buy this stuff. Yep. I hate them too. Also germs are actually good (within reason) for kids as it builds up their imune systems! Kids that are brought up in sterile houses are in for a lot of problems later in life! As for the tree hugging hippys that preach at us, they usually drive woefully inefficient 2cv's or vw campers. The should take a look close to home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Also germs are actually good (within reason) for kids as it builds up their imune systems! Kids that are brought up in sterile houses are in for a lot of problems later in life! As for the tree hugging hippys that preach at us, they usually drive woefully inefficient 2cv's or vw campers. The should take a look close to home! Good post that, nobody can disprove all this climate change isn't the way things are meant to be.The climate has been changing for millions of years and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Good post that, nobody can disprove all this climate change isn't the way things are meant to be.The climate has been changing for millions of years and will continue to do so. Exactly - how many times have you heard "hottest day since records began" and they began before we had cars and most of the world didnt have industry. Cows do more for global warming that cars due to the ammount of methane they produce, which if memory serves is about 20 times worse than CO2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Either that or we'll swelter in the heat like outta "Total Recall". I wonder if our eyes would pop out like they did to Arnie? That was Mars though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Right, I can stand it no longer. I'm fed up with being told that we "all have to act now!" to avoid climate change, stop driving such evil, baby slaying cars, and turn into tree-hugging, vegetarian, bike riding hippies (ok I made that last bit up). So why do I keep seeing adverts for complete wastes of resources like; Disposable use once toilet brushes Disposable use once dusters Disposable use once toothbrushes (little things in packets that you put on the end of your finger). All of this stuff is terribly convenient but completely unnecessary, and surely the factories making them are producing much more harmful emissions than I'll ever manage in a life-time. Why should I worry about decatting my car for the extra performance when it seems that corporations are allowed to waste as much energy as they like giving us better and better ways to fill up land-fill sites? *takes deep breath* Ahh that's better Generalisation Much??? I'm vegetarian but i like 'baby slaying' cars as much as the next person.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Right, I can stand it no longer. I'm fed up with being told that we "all have to act now!" to avoid climate change, stop driving such evil, baby slaying cars, and turn into tree-hugging, vegetarian, bike riding hippies (ok I made that last bit up). So why do I keep seeing adverts for complete wastes of resources like; Disposable use once toilet brushes Disposable use once dusters Disposable use once toothbrushes (little things in packets that you put on the end of your finger). All of this stuff is terribly convenient but completely unnecessary, and surely the factories making them are producing much more harmful emissions than I'll ever manage in a life-time. Why should I worry about decatting my car for the extra performance when it seems that corporations are allowed to waste as much energy as they like giving us better and better ways to fill up land-fill sites? *takes deep breath* Ahh that's better http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=38783&page=2 Post 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 nobody can disprove all this climate change isn't the way things are meant to be.The climate has been changing for millions of years and will continue to do so. Something as complex as the causes of climate change can never be 'proven' 100%, so in that sense you are right. But the consensus amongst the scientific community is climate change is due to human intervention. And that consensus is about as strong as it gets. It puzzles me why so many believe that there is a 'debate' about it. Even the US government advisors, who were absolutely the last to climb aboard, finally recognised that human intervention was the reason for climate change in August 2004 (I think it was around then)To my mind, there is about as much 'debate' as there is over the Big Bang. I suppose it is for four main reasons: 1) The 'dissenting voices' have had some very powerful friends who have exaggerated the extent of the dissent 2) The media are unable to distinguish between mainstream science and maverick opinion. 3) No one wants to hear it, because it might mean inconvenient changes in lifestyle, so there is a massive incentive for disbelieving in the idea. 4) Certain elements (e.g. Clarkson) have succeeded in persuading the gullible to align 'concern with climate change' with 'anything that the average bloke is suspicious of'. You can see no 4. operating on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 4) Certain elements (e.g. Clarkson) have succeeded in persuading the gullible to align 'concern with climate change' with 'anything that the average bloke is suspicious of'. You can see no 4. operating on this thread. Do you mean me? Im not taking offence, just interested, and I agree with much you have said. However all this hot weather (I realise this is only part of "global warming") has happened back in the 1800's, what did they blame it on then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Do you mean me? Im not taking offence, just interested, and I agree with much you have said. However all this hot weather (I realise this is only part of "global warming") has happened back in the 1800's, what did they blame it on then? I just spent ages constructing the most amazingly long-winded reply to that, posted it...and found that I wasn't logged in and I'd lost it. God's way of telling me to shut the f**k up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted December 22, 2005 Author Share Posted December 22, 2005 Generalisation Much??? I'm vegetarian but i like 'baby slaying' cars as much as the next person.... Like I said I made that last bit up.... got nothing against vegetarians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted December 22, 2005 Author Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yeah, nights aren't the best of times for me, once I'm back on them again you'll see a repeat of this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdavies Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Your average oil fire at local refineries tends to bring your average soop drivers emissions into scope a bit.. I mean.. I seriously doubt there are enough of us in the country to deal a death blow to the environment as big as that during the period of the next 50 years... so - in essence - sh*t happens .. take your average volcano... whoops there go a few million ton of sulphur (screw you IUPAC - I use the old british spelling!!) dioxide and carbon dioxide into the air DAMN YOU MOTHER NATURE - STOP POLLUTING YOU HAG!!! (I guess she never attended any of those conventions or signed any treaties). Not condoning malicious over use of high CC overtuned engines for our pleasure... what am I talking about.. of course I am! Who here doesn't enjoy a long pointless cruise in the soop with intermittent beasting? Environment wasn't my concern when buying a soop tbh - I drove a fiesta for 7 years before I bought her.... give me a break!!!! If I wanted to be Environmentally aware I would have bought a Prius or something - or worse still ... used public transport!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Right, I can stand it no longer. I'm fed up with being told that we "all have to act now!" to avoid climate change, stop driving such evil, baby slaying cars, and turn into tree-hugging, vegetarian, bike riding hippies (ok I made that last bit up). So why do I keep seeing adverts for complete wastes of resources like; Disposable use once toilet brushes Disposable use once dusters Disposable use once toothbrushes (little things in packets that you put on the end of your finger). All of this stuff is terribly convenient but completely unnecessary, and surely the factories making them are producing much more harmful emissions than I'll ever manage in a life-time. Why should I worry about decatting my car for the extra performance when it seems that corporations are allowed to waste as much energy as they like giving us better and better ways to fill up land-fill sites? *takes deep breath* Ahh that's better As I was tidying up my desk today, I found an envelope I'd scribbled some figures on from a government website some while back. I remember that the figures are in something like 'greenhouse gas units' - This, I think, allows for the differences in damage caused by, say, the height above sea level at which the emissions are produced and convert it to ONE figure so that all the different outputs can be fairly compared. I think the figures compare 1990 to 2002, but again, this is from memory. OK, overall, greenhouse emissions have dropped slightly and this is largely due to the fall in emissions from manufacturing industry, due to more efficient processes and tighter regulation. The figure I have is a decrease of 15%. The one area in which emissions are rising is in transport. 'Transport industry' as a whole is up from 58.6m to 88.3 (47%) in total. Within that public transport fell by 7%, but all the other sectors went up. This includes freight, transport of water (!), private road users,air transport etc. I don't ever feel that there's pressure on road users more than on any other sector, but maybe that's me. If you're feeling unduly persecuted, I suppose the short answer to your question is that the transport sector is 'letting the side down' as it were. However, as most people on here like to point fingers elsewhere for the 'real culprits' (it can't possibly be us, surely?), here's a little snippet to help: Increase from 1990 ish (?) to 2002: Private road users: 59.2 to 62.8 mtonnes greenhouse gas (up 6%) Air transport: 20.2 to 37.5 mtonnes (up 85%) There you go, it's all those f**kers filling up the RyanAir flights that are culpable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted December 23, 2005 Author Share Posted December 23, 2005 Do Ryanair decat their planes? Seriously though 85% But then again it's still nowhere near the private road user's figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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