tbourner Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 No, what I mean is they say "turn into the slide (which to me means nothing), this is going against your instincts and most people don't know how to do it properly, a skid-pan day is a good idea....... etc etc waffle waffle." How can they think it's against your instincts to turn 'into the slide'? I'd have thought everyone would share the same instincts to do that anyway? Unless they're affiliated with the skin-pan centres!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Crazy!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 if you are sliding sideways then you should countersteer, if you are spinning you should turn into the spin, simple as Otherwise, what happens is that when the car gains traction again and you are pointing it in the opposite direction, it flicks the car around and you get an opposite lock spin and natural countersteer which you have no control of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 No, what I mean is they say "turn into the slide (which to me means nothing), this is going against your instincts and most people don't know how to do it properly, a skid-pan day is a good idea....... etc etc waffle waffle." How can they think it's against your instincts to turn 'into the slide'? I'd have thought everyone would share the same instincts to do that anyway? Unless they're affiliated with the skin-pan centres!!! Apart from those who close their eyes and let go of the steering wheel screaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I can see where the confusion is as you think "turn into the slide" which would almost suggest you keep going round the way your spinning! how daft!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Sorry mate but that is very wrong. The complete opposite is correct. If you are going round a right hand bend and the arse end breaks out you need to turn the steering wheel to the left to bring it back. I clarified, I read his post as a spin not a slide, I misunderstood his question. I think because where he is quoting from is talking about spins, he is misunderstanding that and taking that to be the case for slides when it isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Next time the back end goes I'm turning the other way, so I end up doughnutting round and round on a roundabout screaming "I'm just turning into it!" out the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Next time the back end goes I'm turning the other way, so I end up doughnutting round and round on a roundabout screaming "I'm just turning into it!" out the window as above:tongue: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDA Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Next time the back end goes I'm turning the other way, so I end up doughnutting round and round on a roundabout screaming "I'm just turning into it!" out the window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Some people need to go on a trackday or play more computer games before they stack their cars! Self-induced slide, note the direction of the front wheels.... http://www.megaboost.co.uk/supra/mine/elvington-trackday/DSC_2952.html (Click next, next, next to follow the slide or watch this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 You're all assuming a rear wheel drive car with the rear losing grip due to excessive power. Remember most people have front wheel drive cars, so if the front loses grip and slides right you would turn right to regain grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Good point Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 You're all assuming a rear wheel drive car with the rear losing grip due to excessive power. You're assuming I'm assuming that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Great pictures!!! hmm wanna ruin me a set of tires on a day like that, looks like loads of fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Great pictures!!! hmm wanna ruin me a set of tires on a day like that, looks like loads of fun! Half a day before I started worrying about seeing canvas, lots and lots of fun though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 I found this Yes, it was me. A mile down the road, I shifted gears. The truck started to slide. The front wheels went to the right. I’d been taught to turn into a spin, but in my panic it didn’t make sense. I reacted on logic. As the truck went right, I flung the wheel to the left. Praise God the street was clear as the truck spun in circles down the road before gliding to a safe stop. I knew how to get out of a spin, but turning into the spin seemed foolish. So I relied on my own wisdom. And in that moment, wisdom became foolishness, and foolishness would have been wisdom. From http://www.re-yourlife.com/reflect/foolishwisdom.htm Not my normal site.... hon:whistle: est!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 What your also forgetting (and we are talking about losing control of your car on a road and you want to save it ) is to come off the gas and to gently countersteer otherwise you'll find the car suddenly snapping back on you and into a fishtail.( This is in a rwd car) Most of the time just coming off the gas is enough. In a fwd car steering into or OUT of the slide provided you have come off the gas will have the same effect. But the most dangerous thing to do when skidding is brake. The tyres have already lost traction and by braking you'll be asking the tyres to do more than they are already (not) coping with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Nice pics michael. Classic examples of both under and oversteer in them there pics. The really tight bends had some classic understeer and the big bends you showed some great oversteer almost into drifting territory. Basically rwd cars if you are in a 4 wheel slide you are effectively almost understeering and you need to turn the steering wheel in the direction of the bend you set off in ie if you turned right and the car just slid away turn a bit more right (or at least hold the lock you had originally) and apply more power (that is what goes against instinct) at some point you will provoke the car into oversteer doing this in a RWD car. When the car snaps round you then need to remain on the power (perhaps lift it off a tad) and turn the steering wheel in the opposite direction of the direction you had set off in ie you turned into a right bend with right steering- the back end kicks out so you then steer left to bring the car effectively straight. In a fwd car if the car 4 wheel slides or front wheel slides you are in classic fwd situation of understeer. The only thing you can do is steer further into the bend and apply more power (again goes against the instinct if you are sliding badly). You can provoke oversteer in light fwd cars like 205's with stiff suspension by radically lifting off the gas with the same lock you had held on firm. Oversteer is something you generally don't get in fwd cars. In icy situations you can actually get the back slide around so this is just a guess but its this I think that "they" are saying is going against the grain normal fwd reaction is to extra steer so when the back goes to steer into it is against the normal reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 hmmm. dont take advice from everyone on this forum it seems, even people with over 1,000 posts. when i first had my car and went over just over the 7k redline(not of the limiter) and warning come on, someone said 'u have probably done loads of damage to your engine, a simple removal of the spoiler ecu, and sorted. who should you trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 What your also forgetting (and we are talking about losing control of your car on a road and you want to save it ) is to come off the gas and to gently countersteer otherwise you'll find the car suddenly snapping back on you and into a fishtail.( This is in a rwd car) Most of the time just coming off the gas is enough. In a fwd car steering into or OUT of the slide provided you have come off the gas will have the same effect. But the most dangerous thing to do when skidding is brake. The tyres have already lost traction and by braking you'll be asking the tyres to do more than they are already (not) coping with. Totally yeah that!!!! Sudden inputs of any kind will upset the balance of the car and that is what causes severe direction changes and dramatic slides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 hmmm. dont take advice from everyone on this forum it seems, even people with over 1,000 posts. when i first had my car and went over just over the 7k redline(not of the limiter) and warning come on, someone said 'u have probably done loads of damage to your engine, a simple removal of the spoiler ecu, and sorted. who should you trust. you referring to me? What I said was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickTT Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 In a fwd car steering into or OUT of the slide provided you have come off the gas will have the same effect. But the most dangerous thing to do when skidding is brake. The tyres have already lost traction and by braking you'll be asking the tyres to do more than they are already (not) coping with. If you slam the throttle shut on a FWD car you get lift off oversteer as the weight shifts over the front wheels. Apply opposite lock and full throttle and the car will pull out of the slide and you will look cool. In RWD if you lift off, dont apply too much opposite lock or the back will snap round the other way and you will crash. Hold steady on the pedal and steer into the slide. A good driver will wind down the window at this point and wave to passers by out of the side window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd_t Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 lol i fishtailed today! a van pulled over to let me past, i was in 3rd, hit the pedal wheels just spun and i went left! was always taught to turn in the direction you look! haha, turned into the slide, all ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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