adi Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Can anyone recommend a competeitely priced yet effective tranny cooler and or supplier, which would do the job on an oil-air basis (stock one being removed). I presume i'll need either one decent one or two smaller ones... the box is near enough identical to the boxes you use in the mkiv. Im having ro replace my radiator as its cracked, and i cant get a replacement one so im going for a koyo from the states, but its only for a manual...hence my dilemma. Will be running about 400 bhp absolute tops, but probably settling at 370 odd. Where did you all get yours from? Cheers adi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Mocal 16 row mounted in the nearside vent should be sufficient. Found this on a search...never heard of the company before http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lfracing/z560.htm Price for a 235mmx16row cooler just £65 ex vat http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lfracing/partlist.htm#550 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 You'll also need some new hoses and the correct size fittings. I don't know what size is appropriate. CW or Leon will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Try http://www.thinkauto.com/ . They supply Mocal coolers in all sizes and with a variety of fittings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adi Posted June 6, 2003 Author Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by Alex Holdroyd Mocal 16 row mounted in the nearside vent should be sufficient. Found this on a search...never heard of the company before http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lfracing/z560.htm Price for a 235mmx16row cooler just £65 ex vat http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lfracing/partlist.htm#550 now this is the kind of thing i was originally thinking of.. but have since been told it wont be up to the job as a standalone air cooler. Can anyone confirm if i need to go bigger if i this will be my only form of cooling? It wont be a secondary oil cooler, it will be solely responsible for cooling the ATF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 I would have thought it was bigger than the stock one in the MKIV's radiator. And it doesn't have an addirional heat source nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Eeerrr, ATM Oil cooler? I have an Engine oil cooler in the front nearside vent and an air intercooler in the front offside but don't have an ATM ATF oil cooler anywhere AFAIA. Where is it? Sorry for the hijack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Yours is in the bottom of the radiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Originally posted by adi now this is the kind of thing i was originally thinking of.. but have since been told it wont be up to the job as a standalone air cooler. Can anyone confirm if i need to go bigger if i this will be my only form of cooling? It wont be a secondary oil cooler, it will be solely responsible for cooling the ATF. That'll be big enough, any engine oil cooler is potentially the same sort of thing. I may have something suitable here, want me to look? Reply direct if so, not by web mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil the fixer Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hi Adi, Ive been locking into the very same myself and been talking with Setrab, Motal and Serck Marsden. Below is some info I have PMed to Quisar as a result of talking with the companies above, I bought some kit from Serck Marsten in the end who were very helpfull and had a local outlet. They also gave me a 19 row for the same price as the 16. PM info sent to qaisar: I have spoken with the three main providers of coolers and read loads, it would seem we need a stack plate cooler as it is more efficient than the tube and fin design. The three main providers all make stack plate types of varying sizes, the three main providers are Motal, Setrab and Serck Marston. In talking to them I have been told there is not an exact science behind the sizing of the units though they all seem to make similar sizes and have recommended a 13 row unit for the supe. Im having further talks with Serck Marston as they seem the most flexible and I have aranged for them to come to my place to measure and further advise, they will even make coolers to order. I will be installing thermostatic control so the fluid is diverted away from the cooler until operating temp is reached (as you dont want to run to cool). I will be meeting with Serck Marston this week so will let you know what they advise, if you want to look at there product/ prices look at this web page http://www.raceparts-direct.com. Ive also spoken to Toyota who have a remote oil cooler for the supe as installed in yank versions and there price was over £200, bloody expensive compared to Serck Marston at under £40 and race quality too. Just had the meet with Mr Serck Marsden and he recommends the following: Use a 16 row stacked plate cooler for the auto fluid and said do not waste money on any thermostatic control, this is plumbed into the existing hard piping at the rear of the rad. Use a 13 row stacked plate cooler for the power steering cooler and again said not to waste money on any thermostatic control. this is plumbed into the hard piping down low on the nearside front and into the hard piping to the reservoir, the power steering doesnt need a 13 row but he said if the auto cooler was holed an emergency job could be done with the power steering cooler to take its place. His getting me a quote this afternoon and said it would be about £180 with the two coolers, piping, clips, clamps and mounting brackets. Ill let you know how much. Cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Phil, you touched briefly on power steering cooler as well as the ATM cooler. Do you know, or does anyone else know if there is an ideal operating temperature range for either of these fluids. Are there any side effects from overcooling (if that's possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil the fixer Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hi Simon, I was thinking of thermostatic control for both the ATM and power steering cooler which basically diverts the fluid away from the cooler until operating temperature is reached and then circulates the fluid through the cooler, the cost for one of these units is as much as the cooler, Serck Marston suggested these would be a waste of money as it doesnt take to long for operating temperature to be reached so it would just be like a cold morning start at the worst. The original power steering cooler has no thermostatic control so I thought I would save the dosh. I would also be interested if anybody knows the ideal operating temperatures for the fluids. Cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qaisar Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 yeah ive gone and ordered the same as phil today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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