paulrenn Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Hi guys Can you give me price ranges for "off the shelf" FMIC kits from the main players, eg. HKS, Apexi, Greddy, etc etc. What sort of money have you guys paid/or would pay for a nice large FMIC plus the pipework to fit to the standard twin turbos? Reason for asking is that I'm considering making a kit up here locally, and if it was successful, could offer similar setups for others. Pricewise, should be not far off the Celica GT4 kits that I can produce, around £600 or so quid (including VAT) plus shipping. Dimensions of the cooler itself (not including end tanks) is 76x300x860mm - pretty large, I think you'll agree. Can cut these smaller if required. Can someone kickoff by postiing prices they've paid for their FMIC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam W Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Size matters, but the efficiency and design of the cores is even more important. What cores would you be using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrenn Posted October 4, 2002 Author Share Posted October 4, 2002 I dunno the core "brand" if you like, it is not "big name" but it has been quite nicely flow tested by the local university, so I have figures available (at home) for its flow. I believe it is very good. It is hard, if not impossible, to get any flow specifications from the likes of even HKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Flow is probably secondary to efficiency, which obviously relates to the core design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branners Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 There was a post ages ago about the sizes of FMICs, I think the s-type is 77 deep, going all the way up to a Greddy at 98 deep. Do a search for the thread. The reason why people probably buy the big name ICs is that they are a known quantity, people know they work and know how their cores are setup. But they arent cheap because of it. I would love to know if theres a way of really testing the efficiency of the ICs. JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin F Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 LOL - I actually have the HKS core sizes on a post-it here on my desk at work. S Type - 600x301x65 R Type - 600x302x97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrenn Posted October 4, 2002 Author Share Posted October 4, 2002 The reason why people probably buy the big name ICs is that they are a known quantity, people know they work and know how their cores are setup. But they arent cheap because of it Well, they are a known quantity in so much as lots of people have bought them So we should have some prices as well as sizes? The cores are tube and fin type. I'll try and post the testing details later, but I have to try and do some language translation on them first! With the same FMIC on my Celica, we couldn't get manifold temps above 40C on the dyno, which is pretty good considering the heat soak you usually get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 What about Hard Pipes?? I think it may be too wide, but I assume you have had a good measure?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrenn Posted October 4, 2002 Author Share Posted October 4, 2002 Hi Terry The core size I mentioned is the maximum core size, as we receive them. This *just* squeezed into the Celica, with the end tanks. Haven't had chance to check the Supra spacing as yet, but we just cut the cores to size as appropriate, might have to trim down a little. Yup, hard pipes are standard, and we also have a BOV, not sure how to mount that yet - on the Celica we have a mounting point on the connecting pipes between the FMIC and the intake manifold. Needs some research. Take a look here for more details and some pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 They do Look good Paul. 3" hard pipes?? To convince people you will need to do a comparison against the big boys, although the cost alone will convince some. What about a nice 100mm core with 3.5" hard pipes:D BOV wise I would put a boss on the hardpipe leading to the throttle body. This way people with stock based twins can run an extra one or blank it off, whilst people with singles can put a bigger BOV there. The HKS flange would be best as then you can alternate between the SSBOV to the Racing type on the same flange. Good luck. Let me know if you want to fit one on my car then we'll do comparisons with the HKS R type, as I have temp sensors before & after the FMIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrenn Posted October 7, 2002 Author Share Posted October 7, 2002 Sounds good Terry. I've been talking to the fabricator that I use, and he's willing to do a very low price for his labour in making up the prototype system, I'll just need to pay the materials. I'm about to ask another friend of mine what the maximum FMIC dimensions can be, as he has been measuring up already. Even so, I think I am gonna have to wait a little while. The work situation where I am right now is uncertain, to say the least, so am waiting until I get another firm contract before I do any more car related works. Also waiting for the flow data to come through. You have the HKS R type installed now, Terry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 Originally posted by paulrenn You have the HKS R type installed now, Terry? Yep. Also the front is off of the car if you want any dims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrenn Posted October 7, 2002 Author Share Posted October 7, 2002 Sure, doesn't hurt to have as much info as possible. Can you measure the maximum area behind the front bumper? Do you have stock front end? Might be different dimensions for the various aftermarket bumpers. I'm planning on making a kit that fits the stock bumper, as that is what my car has...there is no way I can make a kit for a car that I don't have a prototype for, it is too expensive to make wrong parts. Terry, you don't have twin turbos anymore, right? This complicates matters...can't design the piping 100% right. Again, I plan to first make a kit that mounts to the twin location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 Originally posted by paulrenn Terry, you don't have twin turbos anymore, right? This complicates matters...can't design the piping 100% right. Again, I plan to first make a kit that mounts to the twin location. Not an issue. The single turbo kits generally come with a 3" intercooler pipe from the turbo that mates up with the hardpipe that comes through the offside wing. This is how both GReddy & HKS do there kits. That bit of hardpipe then connects up to the stock rubber on the twins or the hard pipe on the singles. Does that all make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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