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FaithStalker
14-01-04, 10:02
Having recently purchased another AUTO car, an Audi
i can safely say the Supra Auto box (in a TT) has to be the most smoothest and quietest and responsive i have ever ever driven (or been driven in when the car is an Auto)

anyone drove a better Auto box than the Supra ?

Roy
14-01-04, 10:14
i think so too. for a factory-built transmission, i think it would be very hard to surpass it. i have driven a few differrent slush-o-matics in my time but i have the supe box the best so far ...

oxygene
14-01-04, 10:16
Compared to the Vauxhall boxes I have driven before and the Nissan box I drove when my car was in for repair; it has to be said, that the Supra box rox :)

suprarob
14-01-04, 16:10
My misses once had an old auto mini
which was an experiance that would put most people off autos for life
:)
once you get used to the manu mode on the supra as well,
it gives you the choice of lazy or play time

Terry S
14-01-04, 17:02
I think the new Merc 500 SL may take some beating.

FaithStalker
15-01-04, 09:12
You can have a cuppa tea between shifts on the Smart Car paddle shift ones !!!


Fiat ones are also pretty poor as well

the best ones ive found so far are :

Toyota (obviously, models : Avensis, Yaris, Supra)
Vw Golf (my old one had a nice autobox, no top end though)
BMW (older shape 3 series auto, was a 2.5 though!)

thats about it, i guess your looking German or Jap,
but then - isnt that always the case for quality cars !

Kent Phil
15-01-04, 09:38
Before My Supra, I had a Galant VR4 with a 5 Speed Tip box. Very good: both responsive and smooth. Kick ass car really, seeing as you can pick them up for well under 10k and you can get over the looks. Being a supra owner, ugly looks don't bother me too much! :D

The 300ZX Autobox is pretty good too as it is much more eager to kick down and accelerate than the Supra is. I fin the Tip box on mine is ok, but not the best I've ever had. It's very lazy about changing and kicking down. It can also be a bit harsh in Tip mode.

Mind you, have only been driving it for about 6 weeks, so maybe it is a little too early to criticise!

trooper
15-01-04, 12:53
I find the Supra auto 'box very good; smooth changes and free from hesitation. I used to have a Soarer V8 which also had a top quality box. My Jaguar XJ8 (with five gears!) was awful by comparison depite being much more modern.

My only sugestions to improve it would be

1. A straight forward-back movement instead of the Mercedes-esk "maze change"

2. Indication by the gear selector as to which position you're in (why do I have to check the dash when I'm moving a lever by my side?)

3. Less fiddly TIPTRONIC buttons; they're pretty small and can be hard to find.

4. An easier way of selecting 3rd gear. Currently I have to select M for manual and then DOWN for third. Why two operations?

Phew, sounds like quite a critisism but it's not. It's a very good piece of engineering. It can also take 400BHP. Which is nice.

FaithStalker
15-01-04, 13:48
1) it is
4) you can

maybe this is a later model thing, but my jpec 93 TT does those!

trooper
15-01-04, 14:02
Yes, mine is the "face lift" model with the VVT and push button 'box. There is no O/D off button on my shifter that gives you third gear.

I presume my gate is a maze type because there is no interlock button on the stick that has to be depressed to move it.

pulse
15-01-04, 14:09
Originally posted by trooper
Yes, mine is the "face lift" model with the VVT and push button 'box. There is no O/D off button on my shifter that gives you third gear.

I presume my gate is a maze type because there is no interlock button on the stick that has to be depressed to move it.

3rd gear isn't OD off?

On mine, with MANU mode on..

1 = 1st
2 = 2nd
D = 3rd

.. then turn MANU off for 4th.

AFAIK the overdrive button is a gear 'between' gears..? Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

-p

trooper
15-01-04, 14:22
There is obviously a difference between the pre-1997 cars and the post 1997 cars.

Position D for me will use all 4 gears.

Usually, like in my old Soarer, O/D off will disable fourth gear.
I have never seen another function of the overdrive switch.

pulse
15-01-04, 14:23
Originally posted by trooper
There is obviously a difference between the pre-1997 cars and the post 1997 cars.

Position D for me will use all 4 gears.

Usually, like in my old Soarer, O/D off will disable fourth gear.
I have never seen another function of the overdrive switch.

This is only position "D" with "MANU" on. "MANU" off, D is drive and uses all 4 gears.

-p

trooper
15-01-04, 14:29
Moving my gear stick from "ordinary D" to M still uses all four gears. The LCD changes to show "D range" until I change gear with the Down button.

Chris Wilson
15-01-04, 14:29
It's a superb box.... UNTIL you need to buy internal parts for it. Aisin-Warner won't sell internal parts, so you have to buy from Mitsubishi, Toyota, Volvo, whoever have the bit you need, cheapest. Even then they are FRIGHTENINGLY expensive. As the cars get older and boxes fail the cost of a proper rebuild will see cars scrapped or patched up with secondhand transmissions.

SkyJawa
15-01-04, 14:29
Overdrive off lets it rev higher too I thought?????? when not in manu mode.............

ChrisR
15-01-04, 14:40
Originally posted by Chris Wilson
It's a superb box.... UNTIL you need to buy internal parts for it. Aisin-Warner won't sell internal parts, so you have to buy from Mitsubishi, Toyota, Volvo, whoever have the bit you need, cheapest. Even then they are FRIGHTENINGLY expensive. As the cars get older and boxes fail the cost of a proper rebuild will see cars scrapped or patched up with secondhand transmissions.

Chris, have you seen many failures to date.

trooper
15-01-04, 14:47
Niel, O/D off may well alter the shift patern of the box too although I have no proof.

oxygene
15-01-04, 15:15
For what its worth, the guy who ran the Dyno test on my car at Abbey said that the Supra auto box was very good in his technical opinion.

It was just a shame they couldnt get it to run the normal Dyno test in their equipment.

Rob_B
15-01-04, 16:18
The O/D button changes the box from 4 gear to 3 afaik, hence the higher revving before change up. I also remember hearing something about it changing the voltage to the fuel pump ?!?

Rob.

Chris Wilson
15-01-04, 17:33
Originally posted by ChrisR
Chris, have you seen many failures to date.

Only 2, both were due to oil loss. Front oil pump seal and a cooler hose come off on a shoddilly installed aftermarket cooler . Neither the boxes fault as such.

I have MonkeyMarks auto box in now. That had the front oil pump bushing pick up on the convertor snout and spi it in the pump. I suspect the nose on the modded convertor is oversize, so not the boxes fault either.

pulse
15-01-04, 17:56
Originally posted by Rob_B
The O/D button changes the box from 4 gear to 3 afaik, hence the higher revving before change up. I also remember hearing something about it changing the voltage to the fuel pump ?!?

Rob.

There's a definite difference in engine RPM between 3rd and OD off. I don't know what it is, but it's different, I'm sure of it :)

Anyway, hometime!

-p

MONKEYmark
16-01-04, 13:52
i have a UK autobox spare now :) feel like a race team with a spare box and 2 spare sets of wheels.
they weigh a ton too. you can get them upgraded in america for not a great deal of money. well its not a lot against some of these special hks dog boxes at 8k have read of 2 of them failing on skylines. seems like toyota got it right with the mk 4

the getrag 6 speed box looks bomb proof and the auto seems to hold up well. even the head gaskets are good. dont think i have heard of many going like they used to do on mk3 supras,
the supra seems a well bolted together car :)

dangerous brain
17-01-04, 18:19
I have an N/A auto and a recently aquired an omega 3.0 v6 auto and there is just no comparison. The omega has a better gearstick with a more user freindly sports button on the top of it but thats where the positives end. It cannot be forced into manual mode so extracting that last up to the limiter few hundred RPM is not happening, the kick down you may as well send a postcard to the engine as that would be quicker. When it does kick down its as subtle as kick in the arse! then it changes back up seemingly before the engine gets going. This is all nitpicking really though as I feel I am spoiled having a supra auto that really is the dogs balls! Its the best of both worlds: lazy as shit when you just cant be arsed changing your own gears and really responsive with first second and third manually selectable, It also changes a hell of a lot quicker than I could on the clutch lol.

Steve W2
19-01-04, 18:33
Originally posted by dangerous brain
It also changes a hell of a lot quicker than I could on the clutch lol.

Cos your GEI:sex:

I am really pleased with the auto box, i have never driven another auto that is anywhere near as good. Did find that it tugs a bit more when an aftermarket exhaust has been fitted.

Noticable when it changes gears:conf: