rob wild Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Hello Just wondering if anyone has ever used one? and could fill in any details about the box i.e. Reliability compared to BL, How much if any customisation is needed etc etc http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/price/Toyota/Supra_93-98/BM/Transmissions/Transmissions/part/4L60E_Complete_Automatic For the complete kit it works out at £1700 + delivery. I'm kind of torn at the moment between Manual and Uprated Autobox really not sure what to go for as i really like the manual and think it would freshen the car up for me but have enjoyed the day to day driving that the auto gives. I know that what is holding the car back performance wise the autobox followed by fuel system, head work and short block rebuild (oh and probably a drive with a beer belly but im working on that ) Anyway and advice would great Cheers Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra_supra Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 glad u asked this actually cus i am in exactly the same situation whether to upgrade auto or go manual.....will be interesting to see peoples views on this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 It's a universal transmission, someone else was asking about them a while back - would take a bunch of custom bits to make it work. Would be tough as old boots though! Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 It's a universal transmission, someone else was asking about them a while back - would take a bunch of custom bits to make it work. Would be tough as old boots though! Cheers, Brian. Cheers Brain Any ideas on the customisation needed? who would be the best person to speak too? May be Greg @ Turbofit? Or do you think if i went the uprated autobox route it would be better to just go boostlogic / sound performance etc? I.e with the money involved getting the B&M fitted? Cheers Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 glad u asked this actually cus i am in exactly the same situation whether to upgrade auto or go manual.....will be interesting to see peoples views on this!!! I know matey its a real tough one and not easy to decide, well for me its not If you do decide to go build autobox and BL looks like the best may be register your interest here: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=114407 Group buy possibilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I think you're on the money on who's likely be a good bet to fit one to a Supra, given Greg's project car with a custom fit TH400 based transmission. Give him a call and see what he says? RE: The BL autobox - excellent transmission (I've got one), shifts fast and hard giving the feeling it could cope with a decent amount of power. I did manage to break one but was covered under warranty so I'm still a happy punter - the jury's out on whether it was me manually shifting it the odd time that broke it lol On the grounds of cost, power handling ability (rated to 700lb/ft torque I think) and ease of install, it's very hard to dismiss the Boostlogic unit. You have to spend a lot more to go TH400 that's a kit designed to fit the Supra and you really do start to leave the realms of what can be considered a daily driver, given they are 3-speeds with no overdrive. Boostlogic also offer such a TH400 kit if that's what you want, that will handle however much torque you care to throw at it (1000lb/ft +). Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 brian who did you buy your BL box from? didn't realise they came with a warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Dusty @ MVP Dunno how comprehensive a warranty it is but it covered the failure of my 2nd gear sprag within 1st year of ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I am going to subscribe in here as I am also interested in what to do with my gearbox. I am on the cusp of ripping out the auto and sticking in a 6 speed instead as I'm no fan of the auto box and a single turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I am going to subscribe in here as I am also interested in what to do with my gearbox. I am on the cusp of ripping out the auto and sticking in a 6 speed instead as I'm no fan of the auto box and a single turbo. Have you tried with a hi stall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 Ok so options please feel free to add and amend BL autobox: Reliability: Good Cost: £2200 inc delivery Problems: Must have good cooling due to excessive heat Drivability: ? B&M Autobox: Reliability: Good Cost: £1700 + delivery Problems: Needs customisations to fit Drivability: ? Sound Performance autobox Reliability: ? Cost: ? Problems: ? Drivability: ? Virtual Works TH400 Conversion Kit - Shifter Included Reliability: ? Cost: £3399.5 Problems: ? Drivability: ? Manual Upgrade: Reliability: Suppose to be very strong Cost: £3000 Problems: Needs uprated clutch Drivability: ? Any more options feel free to add for us to get a balance view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I'm up for a group buy on a BL box. (If we could get it at Paul Macs price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 May be one of the mods could change the title to "Manual or Uprated Autobox / group buy" Or something to that effect? I would be up for a group buy if there is enough people who could decide on the same option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra_supra Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 i would also be interested in BL group buy ...altho not any time soon due to lack of funds lol....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 Spoke to Leon @ jps today and he said that he could rebuild an autobox in the UK to withstand serious power 1000+ bhp for £1800 + TC + Labour for fitting etc. Just more food for though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Leon has an excellent reputation but I would like to see one of his boxes proven before claims of 1,000bhp+ especially when we're talking Toyota based autobox. Maybe one of you could point this thread out to Dusty to see if we can turn this into a group buy. Just now it looks like maybe 3 people? Group buys tend to be 10+ Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 How much is a TC these days? No I haven't tried a high stall yet. I didn't see any point in putting anything into a box that may suffer from critical failure due to excessive power. A high stall won't stop that from happening I assume. The BL box seems to be the best value for money here as the exchange rate is very very favourable right now and £1800 plus a TC adds up to more than £2200 doesn't it? The BL comes with a choice of TC yeah or nay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Not as such, think it's just an extra $750 for a precision industries TC of your choice. I went with a 4,000 stall with drag in mind. A hi stall TC makes a big difference to the pick up / preceived lag of a single'd auto car, that's why I asked. Also worth noting you'll need suitable auto trans cooling with the BL autobox and a hi stall - suggest a fluidyne with SPAL puller fan for BPU cars and a total of 2 or 3 trans rads depending what kinda torque you're putting through the poor trans. Mine is BPU and I'm now running 3 as a precaution / in preparation for when I do go single (whenever that may be!) and run more power. Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Holy maloney I have only 1 trans cooler on my single. No wonder the oil goes brown rapid style. Maybe I need to look into a bit more cooling. To be honest Robert did tell me he didn't think my cooling was adequate. Don't wanna find anymore steel screws in the sump of my gearbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 It's not so much of an issue when you run regular stall speed DB - the hi stall TC's generate a lot of trans heat. I think dude used to run 4 or 5 trans coolers on his in the end but they were the smaller fluidyne ones iirc. I've got one of the smaller fluidynes (from MVP) with a SPAL pull fan on the back of it and two of the mahoosive trans cooler rads from K14 Sup's recent group buy. Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Just to add another option, I like the look of Ben Phillips' (aka Obiwan) built autobox. It's $3000 + core exchange. He's been building them for about six years, but only recently started marketing them via the web. He reckons it's held up in a 900rwhp car. Link:http://www.pre-racing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=783 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Out of interest, how are people putting these multiple coolers in, I hope in some sort of parallel style, otherwise having the coolant forced sequentially through all those coolers would kill pressure levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 6, 2007 Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 Ok so another option BL autobox: Reliability: Good Cost: £2200 inc delivery Problems: Must have good cooling due to excessive heat Drivability: ? B&M Autobox: Reliability: Good Cost: £1700 + delivery Problems: Needs customisations to fit Drivability: ? Sound Performance autobox Reliability: ? Cost: ? Problems: ? Drivability: ? Virtual Works TH400 Conversion Kit - Shifter Included Reliability: ? Cost: £3399.5 Problems: ? Drivability: ? Manual Upgrade: Reliability: Suppose to be very strong Cost: £3000 Problems: Needs uprated clutch Drivability: ? JPS rebuild auto rebuild Reliability: Suppose to be very strong Cost: £1800 + TC + Labour for fitting Problems: ? Drivability: ? Pre-Racing Reliability: ? Cost: £1500 + TC + shipping Problems: ? Drivability: ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Rob have you driven a built auto if no you could have a go in mine on Monday as i should be going to Mascrat (weather permiting) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Ok so another option BL autobox: Reliability: Good Cost: £2200 inc delivery Problems: Must have good cooling due to excessive heat Drivability: ?recomended to leave in "D" for optimum gear change B&M Autobox: Reliability: Good Cost: £1700 + delivery Problems: Needs customisations to fit Drivability: ? Sound Performance autobox Reliability: ? Cost: ? Problems: ? Drivability: ?recomended to manual shift for optimum change Virtual Works TH400 Conversion Kit - Shifter Included Reliability: ? indistructable Cost: £3399.5 Problems: ? only 3 gears, unless gear vendors overdrive fitted Drivability: ? Manual Upgrade: Reliability: Suppose to be very strong Cost: £3000 Problems: Needs uprated clutch Drivability: ? JPS rebuild auto rebuild Reliability: Suppose to be very strong Cost: £1800 + TC + Labour for fitting Problems: ? Drivability: ? Pre-Racing Reliability: ? Cost: £1500 + TC + shipping Problems: ? Drivability: ? few blanks filled in as well Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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