CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 People - If you treat me like a complete technical numpty, I promise not to dissapoint! I have finally got around to putting together a new plasma and sound system. The components are a Pana TH42PWD7B, Yamaha DVXS200 HC system and a Sky digibox. I also purchased a TY42TM6A BNC comp board and a RGB to plasma VGA box. I have connected it up as follows: Scart out from Sky to RGB / VGA box VGA cable from box to plasma (PC import port) Phono to phono from Sky to Yamaha Compsite 3 cable from Yanaha to Plasma input 2 slot When the plasma is on Input 2, it says no signal and I have no picture but do have sound. When in PC mode I have sound and picture. If I try to play DVD's I have sound but no picture. Also, the Yamaha's sound level goes from 0 to 90 (ish) but you can only hear something from 50 upwards. I have been told that the Yamaha has a scart output default and that needs to be changed to component. Apparently, to do this I need to connect the Yam to the Pana via scart and then change via the on screen menu. That I understand, but I am confused as to how I connect the Yam to the Pana via scart as I only have a component slot in board. Am I missing something here or am I being even more stupid than normal? Once again, any help will be gratefully received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Surely the on screen menu on the plasma will come up whatever way you have things plugged in. Then it is just a case of changing the input devices on the plasma screen. If it is the yamaha that is causing problems, there must be a way to change it without having to go to the on screen menu as it will not always be setup this way on people systems. Let me have a look online for the manuals and see if they have any pointers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Looking at the manuals and info on the web. I think it is just as simple as changing the settings on the TV to grab the signal from the different board that you have had added. The VGA input is default and standard fit on the TV, but the extra card isn't, so you must setup the TV to use the picture input from the add on card. Should be in the TV menu somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 Looking at the manuals and info on the web. I think it is just as simple as changing the settings on the TV to grab the signal from the different board that you have had added. The VGA input is default and standard fit on the TV, but the extra card isn't, so you must setup the TV to use the picture input from the add on card. Should be in the TV menu somewhere. I thought so too but on input 2 it doesnt even see a signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 Ok, I have set the plasma so that input 2 is component / rgb. The problem seems to be that the Yamaha isnt sending a compnoient / RGB signal out as that and needs to be changed so that it does. Unfortunately, as I cannot see a menu on screen, I canot change its output to component from the scart default. I think I will try to connect the yamaha to another TV via a scart cable and adjust its settings from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 I have now sent the signal from the yamaha to another TV via a scart cable. That works fine so I know the DVD player part works OK. I also accessed the on screen menu for the Yamaha and it says it is outputing in RGB. There was no option for component only. So I now have a plasma that says it is ready to accept component RGB, a HC system connected to it via a compnoent / rgb cable and a DVD playing that I know works and yet the plasma still does nor show any picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasport Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 had these probs myself with no scart on plasma, big headache, just got to go out now but will try and explain what i did later if your not sorted, but for ease just explain in dvd, plasma, sky, and amp terms how you have wired it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 had these probs myself with no scart on plasma, big headache, just got to go out now but will try and explain what i did later if your not sorted, but for ease just explain in dvd, plasma, sky, and amp terms how you have wired it I just went to Richer Sounds for advice and we have cracked it! The problem was that the Yamaha HC / DVD system was set to ouput RGB - and that is where I got it wrong. Although the compnent cables are Red, Green and Blue, they are not out RGB. The setting should have been YUB (or somesuch). I have now done this and everything is hunky dory. For Suprasports benefit (or anyone else who gives a flying feck) the parts are connected as follows: Panasonic plasma has a component board fitted and aslo has a PC input socket. I have connected my Sky digibox to this by taking a scart output from Sky to a RBG vga output box and then taking the VGA cable to the PC input on the TV. That gives you Sky picture. I aslo have a DVD / Home cinema system (Yamaha) for my DVD and sound output. The sky sound is connected to the Yamaha via phono plugs and the fed out through a series of surround sound speakers. DVD picture is output from the back of the Yamaha via component cables to the Input 2 (it could be 1 but I chose slot 2) on the back of the plasma wheer I had fitted a component slot in board. So, alls well that ends well Thank you to Ben and Suprasport for their advice (both given and proposed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasport Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 glad you sorted it mate. The setting should have been YUB (or somesuch). thats what i was going to get into with you, i had to actually go out and buy a dvd player that had these connections. one cable for each colour plus 2 audio. anyway your sorted so enjoy mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 If you get stuck in the future colin just ring me, I am only 2mins away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 If you get stuck in the future colin just ring me, I am only 2mins away Thank you old chap. Thats much appreciated. Myself and Joshy now have the uneviable task of tidying up and hiding the speaker cables. We dont want to do lots of chasing in walls as they will be moved again in a couple of months when the building work gets finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 oh missed this or I would have tried to help, yep component and rgb are not the same although you can squeeze them over the same 3 wires! For DVDs Component is the best way to go because a DVD is essentially encoded in component video, although technically RGB can be better, probably not in this case for dvds. Glad you got it working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Ah, yeah, there is a bit about that in the manual for the Yamaha, didn't mention it as I didn't think it would be the issue. D'oh!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 Ah, yeah, there is a bit about that in the manual for the Yamaha, didn't mention it as I didn't think it would be the issue. D'oh!! LOL Me neither. What threw me was the compnent cables being coloured Red, Green and Blue. I automatically (and stupidly) associated those with the RGB output from the DVD / HC system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 easy mistake to make, I think many people have fallen for that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 CJ, you realise you wont get better than prologic sound from a normal sky box, you need a sky+ box to get dolby digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 way too late with this response,but what the hell - yeah... you got it... always check the output from your DVD is correct, which is a software not a wiring issue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 CJ, you realise you wont get better than prologic sound from a normal sky box, you need a sky+ box to get dolby digital. Yes I did know John and I am looking to upgrade to sky+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 OK CJ Sky box to plasma. I have tried all the connections. Best for me was using a Keene RGB scart to component convertor. This also allowed me to pass the signal through my yamaha amp so less hassle to change sources and i really dont see what the anoraks are raving about when the rave it ruins the picture, waffle i say!. ON the sound front analogue from sky is selling yourself short. If you box doesnt have the optical out like mine didnt get yourself a different one (i picked up a sony) on e bay that has, the difference is amazing. On SKY movies 1,2,&3 you'll get dolby digital. The rest of the time you can have a digitally sourced range of surround to whatever you select, and is noticably more dynamic and has better steering of sound than using the analogue inputs. Also the sky analogue outputs volume is controlled by the skybox remote, perhaps for now try turning it up. Anyway in March or April sky will release the 1080 box, which will give you twice as good a picture as you can achieve now so dont sweat. It will also come with a digital output, hopefully both optical and co-ax. This will leave you with just a component cable to the screen. VGA input in my hitachi looked awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 lucky for me, my sky box outputs true RGB over scart, my dvd player also does and the home cinema project takes RGB+sync over 4 wires (component + 1 effectively) this is really convienient in terms of connectivity and requires no converters etc If you can get equipment that works together it sure saves on hassle and the picture quality is second to none (no conversion etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 OK CJ Sky box to plasma. I have tried all the connections. Best for me was using a Keene RGB scart to component convertor. This also allowed me to pass the signal through my yamaha amp so less hassle to change sources and i really dont see what the anoraks are raving about when the rave it ruins the picture, waffle i say!. ON the sound front analogue from sky is selling yourself short. If you box doesnt have the optical out like mine didnt get yourself a different one (i picked up a sony) on e bay that has, the difference is amazing. On SKY movies 1,2,&3 you'll get dolby digital. The rest of the time you can have a digitally sourced range of surround to whatever you select, and is noticably more dynamic and has better steering of sound than using the analogue inputs. Also the sky analogue outputs volume is controlled by the skybox remote, perhaps for now try turning it up. Anyway in March or April sky will release the 1080 box, which will give you twice as good a picture as you can achieve now so dont sweat. It will also come with a digital output, hopefully both optical and co-ax. This will leave you with just a component cable to the screen. VGA input in my hitachi looked awful. Thanks for that. Do you know if the Sky+ boxes have optical out for the sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 They definitely have digital out... I think it is optical, though I could'nt remember....so I looked up this: Interfaces Modem telephone line Input from terrestrial via analogue RF. RF Output to primary TV Set RF Output to secondary location Left and Right Audio Outputs TV and VCR SCART S Video Optical Digital Audio Output Second card reader on front panel for interactive applications High Speed Data Port IF inputs from twin LNBs Hardware and Software Features Sky Guide electronic programme guide Enhanced RC including keys dedicated to time-shifted playback. Pause/play/stop/record/FF/RW Two satellite FE (tuner/demod.) Transport stream input processor (ASIC) Internal hard disk drive (20hrs, 40GBytes) MPEG 2 audio decoder Dolby AC-3 output and Dolby Pro Logic output Supports 'over air' download of new software into FLASH memory 256 colour OSD from palette of 16k colours Parental lock So yeah..... it does have optical digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 Much horse grassy arse:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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