''copenhagen treaty'' Say hello to world government?

[Tannhauser]

 

Let me be a bit like you here tannhauser. picking up on your error, whilst ignoring any good point you may be putting across.

 

 

There's a specific and important reason for picking you up on those points and it goes right to the heart of the debate on climate change. The science itself is very difficult even for a non-specialist scientist to follow. When you have a situation in which the majority of scientists actively working in an area are saying one thing, and a small but highly vocal group are saying something else, then the credentials and motives of the minority have to be carefully scrutinised.

 

The background of climate change sceptics isn't a detail. The 'sceptics' movement has difficulty in finding real scientists to back their ideas (they would claim that this is all part of 'toeing the party line or risking dismissal', etc), so they have resorted to bogus signatories and exaggerating the credentials of their supporters.

 

Here is LORD MONCKTON SAYING HE WAS MARGRET THATCHERS ADVISOR MAINLY ON SCIENTIFIC QUESTIONS INCLUDING CLIMATE CHANGE. And before you say anything i did not call him a scientist i said science advisor And lastly btw way he is qualified as A CLASSICAL ARCHITECT, not journalist get your facts right.

 

 

That in my eyes makes him a science advisor, We cant all be right all of the time mate ey

 

 

I think I have got my facts straight.

 

I would agree that Lord Monckton claims to have been Margaret Thatcher's Science Advisor. But he made his name as the guy behind the scheme for tenants buying their own council houses. At the time of his work with her, he was known as an economic/social policy adviser. Although the 'science adviser' thing is now widely reported on the climate change denial sites, it seems to be suspiciously post-hoc. Why would Margaret Thatcher, herself a Chemistry graduate, rely on a complete non-scientist for advice, when the best scientific minds with formal training were available to her?

 

Also: Lord Monckton makes a great many claims, leading some to give him the soubriquet 'Lord Monckhausen' (i.e. someone who makes up unlikely stories about his past). If you have time, I really recommend you read this interview which gives you a flavour of his personality. Just look at his claims on The Falklands War, his ideas on containing AIDS. Or, elsewhere, his claims to be a member of the House of Lords.

 

As for the claim that he is qualified as a classical architect, I don't think that's right. All the sources I've found agree that his degree is in Classics, which is completely different. In a Classics degree, you would study Greek and Latin culture (e.g. literature), and history. You might do a smattering of classical architecture in such a degree - that's different to having a 'qualification' in it.

 

If you take a look on Wikipedia (for example), his post-University career was largely in journalism, starting at age 22. Several sources cite that he has a diploma in journalism (I can find them if you like), and this seems reasonable, seeing as this would be achievable quickly and fits in with his known career history.

 

The point behind all this is that, whist undoubtedly a brilliant man, and a self-taught mathematician, he is by no stretch of the imagination a scientist. You can find similar stories for most of the guys you cite on here: brilliant economists, business leaders and so on (or plain nut jobs like Alex Jone) .

 

The second you know that he is (1) associated with The Heartland Institute, the Exxon and tobacco company funded right-wing tin hat brigade and (2) an enthusiastic backer of the notoriously inaccurate The Great Global Warming Swindle , doesn't that give you any pause for thought?

[nevins]

I say sod it and carry on as we are, for the simple reason they cant say its just people causing this as pollution comes from everything from natural gas, to people and machines.