OK
you know , battery OK , power on key position 1, position 2 and nothing on position 3, no start nothing.
Searched and searched the forum and the diagnosis was the starter motor contacts
so bought the bits from Toyota and followed Supraloopy's how to..
hey presto Refurbished starter motor.
did it work
NO
searched again and found on old article about the exact same symptoms
i pm'd TLicense for a few pointers on his previous experience and tested the circuits as he suggested
sending power straight to the starter through connector 5 starter relay started the car but turning the key did not
ordered a new STARTER RELAY from Toyota £40 ! (arrived today)
and now the problem is sorted
didn't mind doing the starter motor but boy its an awkward job.
happy now though
cheers Tony
regards Jamie