Project Future Motorsports Supra......

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by BURT

the answer to your question MATE is i honestly dont know.. but very clever that you answer my question with another one...

so now can you answer my question...

i think he's saying that the fastest supra in the uk is powered by a HKS turbo. (the Calder supra)


opps that'll teach me to spend a penny before posting!

[mkirby]

HKS dont do drag

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...C24DDCE139.htm

[Ian C]

Originally Posted by Future Motorsports

i am not avoiding any questions. you are asking me questions that cannot be proven by ANYONE and not just myself. So i am asking you...if you have different conclusion (which you clearly do) then please provide proof of that too.

Um, Bijal, dunno what you are talking about here, Terry asked you (a few times now) what the differences were between the centre cartridges, shaft, and the wheels of each turbo. You can, like, measure some of that with a ruler or something... I mean if you've done all this testing to prove (to yourself) which is best, I would have thought some consideration of the wheel sizes would have come into it pretty early on. Especially at the cost of these blighters.

TBH it's looking like you just bought the shiniest one, bigged it up publically with some pretty assertive statements:
"the hks turbo by far is the best in the market. i have said this time and time again and proven it"
...and now you're desperately trying to justify it after being brought up on those statements

Have you got the differences? Any hints of the amazing technology used to make it spin up slower than a T67? Any datalogs? Dyno charts? Compressor maps...? I mean it's kinda obvious by now that you haven't, but for the sake of fairness here is another chance to shut us all up

-Ian

[Gamer]

Originally Posted by mkirby

yeh but we all know everything runs faster in the USA

That car is from Japan, not the USA.

[mkirby]

Originally Posted by Gamer

That car is from Japan, not the USA.

that was more a statement for the people who only quote the yank times and bhp etc

i wont post anymore in this thread as its not just gone off at a tangent but doubled back and gone on a jolly as well lol

so will wait till the next step of the project

Good luck with it

Mike

[toyotatom]

Is there not a single trader on here that deals in Boostlogic and HKS and would for the sake of club knowledge be able to settle this in a kind of 'Turbo shootout' on one car. Id be interested.

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by mkirby

yeh but we all know everything runs faster in the USA no doubt they have supras running stock turbos in the 10's over there

and as most supra owners know the CRD supra is the fastest with correct me if i'm wrong but around 9.4 sec 1/4 and they run ermmmm a HKS T51R SPL turbo must be pretty happy with it or no doubt they would have changed it.

Mr Cowie was running HKS 2835'S on his record breaking skyline as well as the sumo R34 so i think a pattern is forming

I was led to believe Keith was Running a GT series turbo from turbo Dynamics as he thought the HKS wasnt doing the job for his spec. That would make him a Garrett convert http://www.keithcowie.com/phone.jpg

As far as Im aware the Fastest Skyline in the world is in OZ and runs a Trust ( dont quote me on that) as it could possibly be a Garrett Too. Best way to check is on this site I think http:http://www.exvitermini.com/, If its still up.

And Yes Crd Is currently the fastest over here for now..But the the amount of lauging gas they use it's hardly supprising so that preety much rules out the the superior advantage turbo comparison ..as does their 9" rear axle.

Oh and as for Sumo using HKS turbos ,Well so would you If it was your main source of help and the brand you stick to being a super HKS dealer. Doesnt mean they are better or worse than anything else.They also have HKS build their engines for them..does that make the superior to OS giken or Jun ?

Be nice to do a head to head engine dyno test ( not rolling road) and see what is the better turbo as this is goind round in circles and direct questions are not getting answered. How anyone can say HKS are better or the best turbos without actualy having tested or used all of them themselves is beyond me but there you go .

[stupra]

At the end of the day there doesn't seem to be any hard data or facts with regard to which turbo is best. There needs to be some real testing done, (same car an conditions), to see any performance differances, and as to differances with the internals of the turbos themselves, i'm sure an experianced eye (not mine, thats for sure) would be able to tell ?. Opinions should be shown as opinions, not as proven, or as facts. Everyone has differant views on the same thing, neither one could be seen as wrong. The evidence, if it ever comes, will speak for itself.

[mkirby]

Originally Posted by migster

I was led to believe Keith was Running a GT series turbo from turbo Dynamics as he thought the HKS wasnt doing the job for his spec. That would make him a Garrett convert http://www.keithcowie.com/phone.jpg

As far as Im aware the Fastest Skyline in the world is in OZ and runs a Trust ( dont quote me on that) as it could possibly be a Garrett Too. Best way to check is on this site I think http:http://www.exvitermini.com/, If its still up.

And Yes Crd Is currently the fastest over here for now..But the the amount of lauging gas they use it's hardly supprising so that preety much rules out the the superior advantage turbo comparison ..as does their 9" rear axle.

Oh and as for Sumo using HKS turbos ,Well so would you If it was your main source of help and the brand you stick to being a super HKS dealer. Doesnt mean they are better or worse than anything else.They also have HKS build their engines for them..does that make the superior to OS giken or Jun ?

Be nice to do a head to head engine dyno test ( not rolling road) and see what is the better turbo as this is goind round in circles and direct questions are not getting answered. How anyone can say HKS are better or the best turbos without actualy having tested or used all of them themselves is beyond me but there you go .

OK one last post

Yes keith does now run (or will be running once mapped up and run in) a garrett GT42/47 custom turbo now but his record was done on his HKS turbo set up

The fastest skyline is still the HKS R33 which runs the HKS 3540 turbo setup i think

EDIT Keith ran with the HKS 3037 turbos not 2835?? my bad

Unfortunatly its an argument that will never be settled

[Miguel]

I'm going to have to agree here that this will never be settled. It was a simple question about what makes the HKS turbo far superior over the Garrett of the shelf equivalent and is it worth the extra dinero. I thought it a very simple direct question and one that would have been great benefit to the club as a whole. After all asking questions is how people learn and having evidence to back it up even more so..Ah well never mind onwards and upwards

[Matt Harwood]

Cor, I don't know. All this thread and people still haven't realised. If it costs more, and looks shiney, especially if it has something annodised, it's bound to be better.

[Scooter]

The trouble is there are so many conflicting views, information and misinformation flying around because lets face those selling stuff will always favour their products.

Ok some will believe they actually are (and maybe they are) the best or at least the best VFM, others may know they are not but shout about them anyway............we the masses are left second guessing and have little concrete evidence either way of what is and isn't BS/Hype etc etc.

Its ok going on about how can a HKS turbo be worth so much above others, but when someone posts up that they are getting some cheap turbo manifold or IC they are in turn told, by the same people snubbing the expensive HKS, that these are cheap inferior products (again maybe they are)

Its like the phrase often quoted "buy cheap buy twice" but to some degree this only seems to apply when it suits.

My view though is that arguing about turbo's is one of the least contentious issues as none of the single turbo's themselves seem prone to failures of blades or seals and all types make very high BHP. The battle of the best turbo is really of no concern to all but the very highest power owners/tuners.

What i'm saying is i don't think their are any 'really' bad choices that can be made when selecting a turbo, it seems that by far the biggest challenge for a successful single is the ECU and its mapping which is a far bigger minefield for the average punter to try and negotiate thier way through........

[mr keef]

Originally Posted by dandan

I want to see photos of the build.

I couldn't give two tosses about the turbo argument.

Yea me to!!

[Lucifer]

Yeah good point, where is the build photos if you have done the testing?

Common, Ive put mine up! LOL

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by Scooter

What i'm saying is i don't think their are any 'really' bad choices that can be made when selecting a turbo, it seems that by far the biggest challenge for a successful single is the ECU and its mapping which is a far bigger minefield for the average punter to try and negotiate thier way through........

Its a bigger minefield that that. Ecu is a very good point but really the whole system should be thought of as a package. Fuel system ,Turbo choice and manifolds are just as important as ecu's. No-one would want a turbo that surged/chewd itself or a manifold that would fall appart or difficult to fit would they ? Same as no one would want to pay Over inflated prices for something that does the same job as something else a little down the range price wise but was just a reliable and yielded the same possible performance gains?


I think this is why this question was raised ..so some fact and figures could come out so us as punters can make honest informative choices and put our money where we belive suits our needs the best. Simply saying Its the best is a bit like me saying My silk turd cutters are better than your pants..Why ? coz they are.