Wangan Supra 2.0 Build @SRD

Nice updates How did the internals look?

Thanks

The internals are in very good condition which is a credit to the original engine builder and the components used some 20 years ago. The car always had good oil pressure and never smoked.

The bores where in excellent condition with the original cross hatching in them and the skirts of the pistons where nice. The bearing did show signs of aging, the engine was built with the factory OEM bearings which are softer than that of modern aftermarket ones. Rod bearings 2,3,4&5 where all in very good condition, Rod 1 had worn and 6 had failed. The main cap bearings also had signs of wear. However considering the engine had always ran in excess of 800/900bhp the majority of its life 20 some years and that Steve had done several dragon balls and some long trips abroad the engine was very healthy.

Needless to say that these will all be replaced with modern bearings from Titan and SRD have sourced me a low milliage crank from a stock car so it will be a above and beyond build done the right way:thumbs:

Rods

Now I can't stress how valuable it has been having your chosen garage as your engine builder, mechanic and parts stockist all as one when it comes to choses like this.

SRD, all under one roof being able to give advise but also going above and beyond. That with stocking several different Rods allowing you to physically compare and inspect these side by side. In this day and age when everything is ordered on the net mostly from abroad this kind of service then choosing a part I find superb.

So splitting the bottom end out after being built some 20 yrs ago we have decided to put a fresh set of rods in her.

With no intention to go back inside the depths of the block for another 20yrs I wanted to give this some serious thought and upgrade the Rods where possible albeit I was already running Carrillos.... (it's going to be named the Wangan 2.0 so no point in doing half a job!)

So I initially reviewed the Brian Crower Heavy Duty Rods with the ARP 625+ bolts/fasteners. These are rated to 300bhp + per a cylinder. The rods are 642g and the 625+bolts rated to 280KSI as an upgrade to the ARP2000 bolts also available.

Compared next to the Carrillos (right) these are very nice rods but just didn't feel or have the finish of the Carrillos, also weighed a noticeable amount more? BC put back in the shelf.

So my next thought was... a new set of Carrillos (top) or a set of the latest Carrillo HD's Rods.(bottom)

The HD in many places appears to be a bit thicker and more robust....(as the name suggests.) with addition material they weigh 606g, 6g more than the standard Carrillos but don't feel real heavy like the BC's, also note the different positioning for the oil feed between the two Carrillo rods.

Carrillo also offer two types of bolts CARR bolts being there top of the range rated at 285KSI and WMC bolts rated at 220KSI. Both more than adequate for a street car, the WMC are "good for about 15 to 18 torque cycles" and the CARR are "good for for indefinite torquings" 15-18 torque cycles sounds like a lifetime for a non race build that won't be torn down often but I could certainly see a race team exceeding that.

:confused:So after lots of research and back and forth between the two different Carrillo rods and bolts I ended up finding the answer in a more simple way....

Firstly the CARR bolt is arguably the best bolt made! TICK,

Then in the long run with everything else I was going to be using part wise, why not eliminate a question mark? .....Simply fit the most over engineered.

Carrillo HD's + CARR bolts ordered!

Now I would imagine most after market Rods are capable of handling above and beyond what we would run so I am not trashing other makes or designs. I enjoyed my research and for this particular build my now personal choice.

I hope this helps anyone who may not be able to compare 3 different rods side by side.

Thanks

 

The internals are in very good condition which is a credit to the original engine builder and the components used some 20 years ago. The car always had good oil pressure and never smoked.

 

The bores where in excellent condition with the original cross hatching in them and the skirts of the pistons where nice. The bearing did show signs of aging, the engine was built with the factory OEM bearings which are softer than that of modern aftermarket ones. Rod bearings 2,3,4&5 where all in very good condition, Rod 1 had worn and 6 had failed. The main cap bearings also had signs of wear. However considering the engine had always ran in excess of 800/900bhp the majority of its life 20 some years and that Steve had done several dragon balls and some long trips abroad the engine was very healthy.

 

Needless to say that these will all be replaced with modern bearings from Titan and SRD have sourced me a low milliage crank from a stock car so it will be a above and beyond build done the right way:thumbs:

Fantastic, impressive how well its stood up to the abuse but suppose its a hallmark of a high quality build

Are the Carrillo bolts special order from SRD? Gotta give Lee a call? Im mid engine refresh myself so would like a set myself. Also what shells did you go for?

Are the Carrillo bolts special order from SRD? Gotta give Lee a call? Im mid engine refresh myself so would like a set myself. Also what shells did you go for?

Lee ordered the new Carrillo rods and bolts as a set for me however I believe he is able to order the Carrillo bolts CARR or WMC on their own.

How’s the refresh going? What rods are you running? Shells I have gone for Mahle - Clevite bearings their P - Series

Lee ordered the new Carrillo rods and bolts as a set for me however I believe he is able to order the Carrillo bolts CARR or WMC on their own.

 

How’s the refresh going? What rods are you running? Shells I have gone for Mahle - Clevite bearings their P - Series

I looked online and seems you could only get them as a set, Ill speak to Lee after Xmas.

Im stock internals, only planning to run 550/600 so just doing the essentials, rod bolts, head bolts, bearings, new oil pump. Has BC cams and a nice HKS T51R turbo

I looked online and seems you could only get them as a set, Ill speak to Lee after Xmas.

Im stock internals, only planning to run 550/600 so just doing the essentials, rod bolts, head bolts, bearings, new oil pump. Has BC cams and a nice HKS T51R turbo

Yeah when I looked online whilst doing my research they appear as a set but when I spoke to Carrillo direct they seem to believe they can sell everything separate as service items so hopefully they can just supply Lee the bolts. (If it helps I was going to offer my old rods forsale as spares/repairs for just like a couple hundred if they could be of use to anyone. After being taken out we inspected them and Rod 1 showed signs of wear on the bearing, 2,3,4,5 great condition and 6 the bearing had failed. They all have CARR bolts, if using the rods as a used set you would probably want to replace Rod 6, ideally 1 as well for a road car unless they where going in a race/drift car then probably as they are, PM me if helps and I will do a sale thread alternatively they will make awesome paper weights)

Sounds like a nice spec love a T51

Whilst the engine is stripped apart I thought I would take adavantage of the loose parts and have them polished. Sorry only the after pics and forgot to take the before ones

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Looking good mate! One of my all time favourite Supra's this one.

Looking good mate! One of my all time favourite Supra's this one.

Thanks buddy

Great to see this car again, always been a forum favourite.

Keep up the good work

I love your Supra Colin .... one of the best Supras out there.

It looks amazing to see some SRD magic on the legendary Wangan supercar.

Cheers

Wooow nice !

I wish I know someone in Belgium who could polish like this...

One of my fave cars'. Keep up the good work buddy

Great to see this car again, always been a forum favourite.

 

Keep up the good work

 

 

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Thanks hopefully the 2.0 will be a fitting build to the original

 

I love your Supra Colin .... one of the best Supras out there.

 

It looks amazing to see some SRD magic on the legendary Wangan supercar.

 

Cheers

 

Thanks Luc, I was over SRD last week and your engine is looking mighty clean, can’t wait to see how it performs with the new head set up. It’s going to be an awesome weapon

 

Wooow nice !

 

I wish I know someone in Belgium who could polish like this...

 

Cant beat a bit of bling

 

One of my fave cars'. Keep up the good work buddy

 

Thanks buddy.......another true credit to SRD. Looking forward to the next update

Quick update, not much to report over the festive period, few parts arriving (the RPS triple plate carbon clutch is here as well but weighed a ton so left it in the box on the floor )

Block has been decked and cross hatched

Heat shields back from the body shop after being machine polished and Gtechniq coated

Engine bay next to be detailed whilst the engine is at SRD

Fantastic car this, i bought my hypertune and engine bay boxes after seeing it.

Some great attention to detail here, looking forward to racing it again

Such a lovely car and engine build. You must be proud mate.

Are you using the hks 87mm (3.4L stroker pistons) part no [21005-AT002]

Also what lift are the hks 272s mate?

Fantastic car this, i bought my hypertune and engine bay boxes after seeing it.

 

Some great attention to detail here, looking forward to racing it again

Thanks buddy. Your engine bay looked awesome when I saw it at SRD and again at Atlantic

and definitely.... we will have to go for a little spirited drive, although might need a couple of TD06’s to hang with the you

I have drooled over this car many times lol. Love it and look forward to the updates

I wonder if it was your HKS clutch I bought lol Jamsey sorted out the sale

Gotta love 2JZs, years of abuse, quick clean and polish, looks like new lol

Such a lovely car and engine build. You must be proud mate.

 

Are you using the hks 87mm (3.4L stroker pistons) part no [21005-AT002]

 

Also what lift are the hks 272s mate?

Much appreciated, I am really fond of it and hopefully the build will match it’s legacy.

Yes that correct, using the HKS 87mm pistons same as those used in the 3.4 stroker, although mine are the earlier non vvti flat top HKS ones which have a higher compression. The replacement vvti compatible ones I believe are part number 21003-AT002.

The 272 are I believe 9.3 lift both In/Ex

I have drooled over this car many times lol. Love it and look forward to the updates

 

I wonder if it was your HKS clutch I bought lol Jamsey sorted out the sale

Thanks mate should be nice once it’s all finished up.

Not sure buddy but if it is you’ve got a great clutch there, fitted to a brand new V161, only a couple of years old and I have done less than 300 miles on it for one of those years. With the new plates as well it will be as new.

Gotta love 2JZs, years of abuse, quick clean and polish, looks like new lol

Brilliantly over engineered great engines.

Few pics of SRD’s in-house blue print custom engine build