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StevenSheen
26-01-07, 00:17
Hi everyone, Picked up my first ever supra today.....So thought I'd come say hi to all you fellow owners...No doubt I will seek your advice over the coming months ;)

The day was interesting to say the least...I picked it up from a place called GT cars in Dartford, Kent...very nice exterior....All V side kit except Top secret front spoiler...interior needs a little TLC, Pretty much everything uprated with HKS bits till its now producing 450 BHP.

Within 10 minutes I needed fuel...however I could not figure out how to get the key out of the ignition..lol...in the fuss I then proceded to put 25 quid of normal octane unleaded in it...before I realised and filled the remainder of the tank with Super (this should be ok I hope) Then once I had finally pulled out of the garage I cracked my front spoiler on a speed bump...YAY...

Anyways Ordered the Invader front spoiler now and will just have to stomach the cost...never really liked the original one anyways.

Regardless of the unfortunate day...I can all ready see what makes Supra drivers smile...I cant wait to use the fuel up so that I can stretch her legs a little.

Anyways that was a dull story lol, take care all hope to see you at some meets some time in the future!

Steve

markjodrell
26-01-07, 00:19
Welcome :d :d

RobSheffield
26-01-07, 00:23
Welcome :D

Gamer
26-01-07, 00:39
Welcome :)


Give her a good looking over and possibly do a service before you stretch them legs too far ;)

crashoverride
26-01-07, 00:46
hi mate welcome to the throng lol

iain2010
26-01-07, 07:30
Any piccys?! WELCOME!!

Havard
26-01-07, 08:15
Welcome!!!:)

Nic
26-01-07, 08:22
Welcome to the club Steve :thumbs:

I presume that it is the same GT Cars that these threads are about? You may want to check over the parts spec very carefully to make sure the car is as advertised, as quite a few members have had problems.

You say everything uprated with HKS parts? It might be worth posting the full spec and photos so we can double check the spec for you.

http://mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=97258

http://mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=90697

Nicholas
26-01-07, 10:44
Welcome to the club and congrats on the supra.

Make sure you check the spec many people on here have been had by GT-Cars... :(

markssupra
26-01-07, 10:52
:welcome: mate. maybe see you at some local meets.

Take it easy as well if your not used to the car, there has been too many supes crashed recently. ;)

edd_t
26-01-07, 15:31
Hello :D
Where in Essex are you?

how_supra
26-01-07, 15:54
Hi WTTC. Most amusing first post. Any pictures? :D

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 20:09
Hi guys...not got any pics yet but will post some soon.

Yeah having read these posts I semi regret buying from him now BUT, I like the car and to be honest I dont know the first thing about modding cars...So some of the claimed bits may be missing for all I know....

The car was advertised as this spec;

1994 TOYOTA SUPRA AUTO (HKS SPEC WITH HYBRIDS) 450-BHP

HKS F-Con pro ECU, HKS filter, HKS 1.6mm head gasket with HKS head nut and stud conversion, HKS plugs, HKS strut brace, HKS de-cat downpipe, HKS stainless steel exhaust system, big front mount intercooler, BLITZ 850cc injectors with uprated bosch fuel pump, uprated hybrid turbos with larger steel internals, BLITZ boost control and turbo timer, fully adjustble coilovers, adjustable front upper suspension arms, 18" lightweight AVS alloys, greddy guages in car, Top Secret front bumper, Veilside skirts and rear wing, carbon kevlar spoiler blade, grooved front discs and uprated pads, expensive CD player, very nice condition


It is in nice condition interior needs a little TLC but will remedy that with an alloy panel kit to freshen up the dash, seats are immaculate....seems to drive fine but to be honest not stretched her legs yet as I put some premium unleaded in her...

I know the upgraded turbos are a fib as the previous owner never had them installed! So some fact and fiction but to be honest I dont mind to much as long as its all in working order.

Only concern is he said that he had it serviced at his workshop (or local one he uses) last week and hearing the rumors not sure that was carried out, I have no documentary evidence although it does have a fresh MOT, not sure if i should get it serviced again???...

To be honest If the cats in the exhaust still that suits me...dont need the hassle come MOT time.

It has had a 2nd hand engine fitted...this was not explained so although it states 62k miles(100,000km) on the clock not sure what the engine has done...he left the receipt in there for it though so prob not even looked through himself lol ;)

We shall see, either way I shall care for it and give it some much needed TLC ;)

With regards to the question "Have I bought a dud" time will tell LOL!!!

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 20:11
Oh by the way I have a little light on the left hand warning light bank...its a yellow car sillouette with lines coming away from the back of the car...looks like a bulb failure light???

Also what is the service interval on these things?

Thanks for your warm welcome by the way ;)

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 20:13
And one more thing.....:rolleyes:

Anyone know where to maintain, ie, parts service etc the car in the Essex area?

JamieP
26-01-07, 20:16
Id get someone that knows what there doing to check the car over if i was you bud.:)

JustGav
26-01-07, 20:17
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=96210 Anything similar to this?

gaaables
26-01-07, 20:23
by the way the turbos are NOT uprated items, they are standard.

the engine does need mapping and i know this has never been done by gt cars

he also told me the head gasket had gone since i traded it with him.............


take it back mate, think by law you have 14 days

JamieP
26-01-07, 20:27
Oh dear, Nick strikes again by the look of things:(

DamanC
26-01-07, 21:10
GT cars, what a great bunch of c*nts!

Welcome to the forum steve. GBH of colchester is the nearest place to you i recon. What part of essex are you from?

If you want me to take a peek to see if it has what its ment to have i can take a lookie for you :)

stupra
26-01-07, 21:14
by the way the turbos are NOT uprated items, they are standard.

the engine does need mapping and i know this has never been done by gt cars

he also told me the head gasket had gone since i traded it with him.............


take it back mate, think by law you have 14 days

That don't sound good !!.

Hope things aren't as bad as they seem for you mate, an welcome to the club. :)

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 21:49
lol...umm...yay...why do I have so much grief with cars....It seems that my chances of him taking it back, honoring his warranty or compensating me for the repairs are very unlikely... Although I will take some legal action against him if he is uncooperative... not good though!

So where can I get this engine remapped then..also I think the head gasket is likely blown as it is gargling after a 20 min run...more yay!!!

Well guys where should I go to get this mess cleaned up...any suggestions?

And thanks DamanC, I am near lakeside, thurrock...you could have a llok if your local? If not no matter, at this stage I want a car thats safe and thats about all im worried about...

JamieP
26-01-07, 21:53
Take it to turbofit bud, they have put right most the supra's that came from gt-cars now... mine, Jonty, toquicktostop.

RobSheffield
26-01-07, 21:54
Sorry to hear this bud :(

Chewie
26-01-07, 21:56
Christ this is unbelievable and depressing! You read the first post and it's all about the joy of owning and driving a new car and now in less than a day it's a disaster movie.

MR.B
26-01-07, 22:09
Sorry to hear this mate hope you get it sorted alright :(

Konrad
26-01-07, 22:36
Bloody England and law covering criminals :( In Poland this fcuker would have his place burned down to pure ground...
Why you guys do not take him to court?
@StevenSheen
Get it back to him and take money back - 14 days! Do not repair something you shouldn't repair! On this forum you can find few nice members cars for sale, we also have CJ, Jurgen and other guys who importing or searching in UK for a quality cars!

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 23:29
Right Turbofit...ok looked at their website they look good, but I also have the failed Head Gasket so cant really drive it all the way to milton Keynes in this state....need to get that fixed else where I suppose...

Any suggestions of where I might get the head gasket replaced in the essex area? And has anyone got any idea what its gonna cost to fix a head gasket and rough idea on remapping...yes I know its gonna cost a bomb but im now in the mindset that Im gonna totally remake this car seeing as the previous owner already had the engine rebuilt....

Ordered UK lights different bumper, and new dash trim, will get seats refinnished and by the end of it and a huge credit card debt all will be good again....LOL its the only thing I can do....:blink: :search: :p

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 23:30
:d Either that or can someone kindly drop by and set it on fire for me lol ;)

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 23:33
And thanks konio-nt, sadly as his a motor trader and not a dealer (He trades from his home) I dont think he is goverend by general motor trader laws and therefore sale of goods act doesnt apply..ie no 14 day period.

I have sent Nic an email...perhaps he will agree to help out,I will let you know if he responds ;)

Gord R
26-01-07, 23:46
Man... not another disaster from our favourite trader..

really do feel sorry for you steven.

With regards to mapping , if you are running a HKS F Con as GT Cars stated you need to find a HKS Power writer. You can have a gander on the HKS europe site that lists all of the power writers.

Off the top of my head there is Abbey Motorsport/ Owen Developments / GT ART / Rampage / PJ Motorsport not sure if turbofit can atm?

I always used Owen Dev' for the mapping of my Supra and they did a good job. They are based in Oxford.

Its not a cheap route though.

So before i did start working , i would be giving GT Cars greif

StevenSheen
26-01-07, 23:57
How much you think were talking about Gord...and it is an HKS F-CON V what ever that is its sitting in the dash so that much I at least know to be true.

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 00:00
And in the interests of increasing my technical knowledge what the heck is remapping and why would it need to be done?

Once again can anyone suggest a good garage in essex that could sort the head gasket for me? ;)

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 00:02
Incidentally THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING SO KIND AND HELPFULL.....Its much appreciated, although I am having a shite first day of Supra ownership I can tell overall with folks like you around its gonna be fun ;)

Die..GT-cars, Die ;)

JustGav
27-01-07, 00:02
The gold unit sat in the dash is the fcon unit, this controls the spark/fuel/air bits on the engine. Mapping is straight forward, however costly, and with the HKS units there is the worry that the unit is locked and can't be remapped.

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 00:45
Well Nick of GT-Cars has responded promptly, I have to give him that!

He has said;

Steve,

Firstly how on earth has the previous owner contacted you? And second, i
know nothing of a head gaskit problem what so ever, the car is running fine
and has been checked over before sale. And third, the car may need a re-map
for high boost setting only as a precaution which i explained to you before
you left. With respect the previous owner is not qualified to make decisions
on what may need mapping or not, im sure he thinks it needs a re-map as he
was the guy who arranged the fitting of the uprated parts to the engine and
im sure he has assumed it needs re-mapping.

So what problems need attention, and why is our previous customer throwing
dirt, i will investigate?

Im not sure what to think now.........Suggestions?

Homer
27-01-07, 00:47
Steven, was the car 'sold as seen' or has a warranty been offered? If you have a warranty then you are likely covered. Even if he's a private trader you will still be covered as the car has been falsely represented.

I'm not sure where abouts you are in Essex, but there's a few options open for garages to go over the car:

Phoenix (based in Watford)
Turbofit (MK)
Whifbitz (Enfield)

Probably more, but the above are all specialists in these cars

Homer
27-01-07, 00:51
Well Nick of GT-Cars has responded promptly, I have to give him that!

He has said;

Steve,

Firstly how on earth has the previous owner contacted you? And second, i
know nothing of a head gaskit problem what so ever, the car is running fine
and has been checked over before sale. And third, the car may need a re-map
for high boost setting only as a precaution which i explained to you before
you left. With respect the previous owner is not qualified to make decisions
on what may need mapping or not, im sure he thinks it needs a re-map as he
was the guy who arranged the fitting of the uprated parts to the engine and
im sure he has assumed it needs re-mapping.

So what problems need attention, and why is our previous customer throwing
dirt, i will investigate?

Im not sure what to think now.........Suggestions?


To be fair a blown HG is easy to detect, get a check done soon. Though the fact it not been mentioned in the reply implies no corrective action was taken if there was indeed a HG issue.

What concerns me is there's no mentioned of the "uprated turbos", that is the key to this as it would mean an significant difference in the cars value. Has this been mentioned to Fat Nick?

gaaables
27-01-07, 01:34
nick knew the engine needed mapping as when the old one was ripped apart there was severe det marks on the cylinders and the pistons, so much so that the block couldnt be ground out and have bigger pistons fitted.

also the spark plug ends had broken off due to extreme heat, not a good sign, hense why i stated it HAS to be re-mapped.


the car will have come with a warranty, he promices heaven and earth untill he sells the car then it changes completely, not worth the paper its written on

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 01:39
my primary concern is really about the mapping thing...if a head gasket is gone then fine I will find out soon enough, but the remapping, I dont have a clue...the previous owner claims the car should not be taken over 3k revs Nick clearly feels otherwise, to be fair he did say to me the turbo was set to 0.8 bar of boost and if I wanted to use the booster to push it to 1.3bar that I should get the engine mapped....He was aware that im a novis though so to be honest I never really know what he was on about...still that doesnt mean I cant go over 3k revs....

Not really sure what course of action to persue...first thing to do would be a check of the head gasket...Enfield will be the closest place to me, Im near Lakeside shopping centre...

Homer
27-01-07, 01:51
nick knew the engine needed mapping as when the old one was ripped apart there was severe det marks on the cylinders and the pistons, so much so that the block couldnt be ground out and have bigger pistons fitted.

also the spark plug ends had broken off due to extreme heat, not a good sign, hense why i stated it HAS to be re-mapped.


the car will have come with a warranty, he promices heaven and earth untill he sells the car then it changes completely, not worth the paper its written on

You melted the plugs! thats really, really serious and normally requires a full engine rebuild. Was Nick made aware of this when the car was sold?


my primary concern is really about the mapping thing...if a head gasket is gone then fine I will find out soon enough, but the remapping, I dont have a clue...the previous owner claims the car should not be taken over 3k revs Nick clearly feels otherwise, to be fair he did say to me the turbo was set to 0.8 bar of boost and if I wanted to use the booster to push it to 1.3bar that I should get the engine mapped....He was aware that im a novis though so to be honest I never really know what he was on about...still that doesnt mean I cant go over 3k revs....

Not really sure what course of action to persue...first thing to do would be a check of the head gasket...Enfield will be the closest place to me, Im near Lakeside shopping centre...


Getting the car to Whifbitz for a FULL inspection and compression test would be a good course of action. Depending on his report you can then pursue any potential legal action for misrepresentation of the car you were sold.

Rob
27-01-07, 02:11
Where is GT-Cars then, in Dartford? As an old-boy from the taahhnnn I'm interested. It wasn't there three years ago was it?

gaaables
27-01-07, 02:29
[QUOTE=Homer;1232805]You melted the plugs! thats really, really serious and normally requires a full engine rebuild. Was Nick made aware of this when the car was sold?
QUOTE]

the plugs melted so thats why i had a rebuild done on the car, but he was well aware this happened previously and that it needed to be mapped so this wouldnt happen again!

Mike_Mac
27-01-07, 11:07
Not really sure what course of action to persue...first thing to do would be a check of the head gasket...Enfield will be the closest place to me, Im near Lakeside shopping centre...

My first post - and it's about a HG!! Firstly welcome mate - and no matter what happens with this car, don't let it put you off Supras.:)

My HG was repaired for around the 2.5 - 3.0K mark for the engine (4.5k in total), although it was quite warped.

Personally if it turns out to be a warped head as well, I'd be tempted to try a used engine or at least get someone who really knows Supras to do it, as these heads are quite sensitive to heat. It'll save a lot of grief in the long run checking all you options first before spunking away a load of cash.

Chewie
27-01-07, 14:02
Oh by the way I have a little light on the left hand warning light bank...its a yellow car sillouette with lines coming away from the back of the car...looks like a bulb failure light???



And yes this warning light means your back bulbs/fuses are blown.

JamieP
27-01-07, 14:04
My first post - and it's about a HG!! Firstly welcome mate - and no matter what happens with this car, don't let it put you off Supras.:)

My HG was repaired for around the 2.5 - 3.0K mark for the engine (4.5k in total), although it was quite warped.

Personally if it turns out to be a warped head as well, I'd be tempted to try a used engine or at least get someone who really knows Supras to do it, as these heads are quite sensitive to heat. It'll save a lot of grief in the long run checking all you options first before spunking away a load of cash.


4.5k for a head skim and new gasket fitted?

gaz1
27-01-07, 14:23
makes my f**king blood boil with these b*stards ripping people off. jeez welcome mate feel for you but believe me when its sorted it will make you smile from ear to ear;)

Mike_Mac
27-01-07, 14:24
4.5k for a head skim and new gasket fitted?

No, the cost for skimming, lapping in new valves, new valve stem seals and labour came to around 2 - 2.5K. As I had new spark-plugs, timing belt and tensioner, thermostat, radiator, fan and coupler and service done the final bill, including all the associated costs came to around 3.5 - 4.0K.

The 4.5K total I gave earlier was off the top of my head - I've since checked all the invoices. My Bad! :spank: 2-2.5 is realistic if your head's warped.

Mind-you - further to that I am still not satisfied the HG is correct, as I have a gurgling dash and what looks like over-pressure in the coolant system. After talking it through with Chris Wilson, it might be cheaper to get a 2nd hand engine rather than try to sort it out as the heads are very sensitive.

Approach with care and get good advice!

hadyn
27-01-07, 14:28
do we know if his car is actually fubar'd yet though?

tDR
27-01-07, 14:39
4k Mike......... that garage saw you coming! Who was it?

2nd hand cylinder head (more expensive than some valves and machine work but probably best route overall) - 400
Top end complete gasket set - 100
Head Bolts - 60
Plugs - 10 - 60
Timing Belt Kit inc. tensioner - 100
Thermostat - 10
OEM spec radiator - 150
Fan & Coupler - 50
Service Parts - 100 inc 4-Life red coolant and decent oil / filter

So rounding up that's about 1k in parts to do it this way.... labour is time to take one head off and bolt on another then full service. A full days work say 8hrs tops at your average rate of about 50 / hr comes to 400.

Total 1,400

Cheers,

Brian.

gregsupra4
27-01-07, 16:09
We recently replaced the head on a members car, the head had been skimmed, all valves re-cut and new stem seals.

Total cost including all engineering, parts and labour was 1207.06 including vat.

The company we use for our head work has also recently quoted me 900 for reworking my head with 2mm oversize valves, 3 angle valve job, milne springs and retainers, all port work and polishing.

So even 1.5 would be well over the top.

JamieP
27-01-07, 16:12
4k Mike......... that garage saw you coming! Who was it?


Cheers,

Brian.

:yeahthat:

Mike_Mac
27-01-07, 17:18
4k Mike......... that garage saw you coming! Who was it?

2nd hand cylinder head (more expensive than some valves and machine work but probably best route overall) - 400
Top end complete gasket set - 100
Head Bolts - 60
Plugs - 10 - 60
Timing Belt Kit inc. tensioner - 100
Thermostat - 10
OEM spec radiator - 150
Fan & Coupler - 50
Service Parts - 100 inc 4-Life red coolant and decent oil / filter

So rounding up that's about 1k in parts to do it this way.... labour is time to take one head off and bolt on another then full service. A full days work say 8hrs tops at your average rate of about 50 / hr comes to 400.

Total 1,400

Cheers,

Brian.

:shock:

Were those parts direct from Toyota, as I think that's where the drop is coming from. From reading my invoice...

Gasket set - 200
Head bolt set - 189
Timing Belt, idler and Tensioner - 155
Viscous couplar, fan shroud and fan - 380
Radiator - 280

Labour was about double what you costed there, but all the valve seats had to be lapped in.

Anyway - don't want to hijack Stevie's thread :hijack: How's things going at your end?

Nicholas
27-01-07, 17:26
If only the cook report was still around :)

Get it into a good tuners for a check over asap!

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 19:40
RIGHT WELL UPDATE TIME!!!!

Ok under the kind advice of Mike my supra driving neighbour I took the car to a Jap performance car specialist called Torque Developments just round the corner to me in Thurrock.

I took with me the spec sheet that Nic and the previous owner had supplied from there adverts.

Firstly they went through checklist style to find out what really was there....this is what they found.

HKS F-Con pro ECU, is there and functioning

HKS filter, is not there but there is a big filter.

HKS 1.6mm head gasket with HKS head nut and stud conversion cannot be confirmed but they believe it is probably there.

HKS plugs evidence to suggest Iridium plugs which HKS produce so likely there.

HKS strut brace non existant apparently they dont even make one!

HKS de-cat downpipe, HKS stainless steel exhaust system, cannot confirm it to be HKS but it is a completley Stainless Steel system.

Big front mount intercooler,this is present and is an HKS unit valued at 950.00

BLITZ 850cc injectors with uprated bosch fuel pump, Actually has standard injectors and no way of proving it has an uprated fuel pump but is possible.

Uprated hybrid turbos with larger steel internals,no way of telling but claims this is quite common so would not disbelieve it.They are standard units but likely have the steel as opposed to ceramic internals.

BLITZ boost control and turbo timer are present.

fully adjustble coilovers, adjustable front upper suspension arms, these are present and they are HKS ones.

18" lightweight AVS alloys, greddy guages in car, present.

Top Secret front bumper this is actually a Boomex wide mouth...being repaced with invader one anyways.

Veilside skirts and rear wing, carbon kevlar spoiler blade,not sure if there genuine but there present and done nicely.

Grooved front discs and uprated pads these are present...Huge grooved discs actually.

Expensive CD player, decent sony unit...not sure on the speaker situation perhaps the previous owner can enlighten me?

Very nice condition...by the time Im finnished it will be!!!!

Nice news is that they confirmed it has indeed had an engine rebuild in 1995 and there are clear signs of this. Although they claim previous owners guesstamate of 500bhp is a bit wide of the mark...and I should expect more like 380BHP out of her in present state. They did say she has one of the sweetest engines they had heard in some time...so I started smiling a bit from that point on ;)

They quoted 8-9 hours labour to fit a head gasket at 94.00 an hour (yes there expensive, but good) and the actual part if HKS 16mm would cost 290...so I was quite thankfull that after all there compression tests it came back as in perfect order!!! They removed the water pump to check the water did not back up out of the radiator cap and the level remained solid so thats one huge job I dont have to worry about...:d

I then asked about the engine remapping...they are an official HKS agent so they are able to remap the F-Con units but would have to do a live remap due to mine being an auto. They have quoted what sounds like a reasonable amount 450.00 for a full remap..approx 3-3 1/2 hours labour.

HOWEVER

They do not feel the engine map was responsible for the previous engines signs of piston detonation....they claim that I may not even need it done and suggest I just drive it for a 100 miles and see how she is...they dont seem to think it would be essential...I also asked about the brakes and they said although quite worn leave them till summer and then replace them..I asked about Nicks supposed service of the car last week and they replied the Oil looks and smells like it should and all your belts are pristine so come back in a few months...I like this garages honesty even if they charge 94.00 an hour labour! ;)

I have decided to have the ECU remapped anyways just for my piece of mind...at 430 quid it has to be worth it...and will at least make sure its all in tip top condition.

I finally gave it a little boot today and it did indeed fly along...only slight concern was a slightly metallic sound when the turbos were on full swing...a tingling kinda sound light and tinny sounding....bit strange...also on one of my Greddy turbo temp gauges both were on around 100 something but one bumpt to 110 everynow and then and the red light lit up....had only give it a little blast...any ideas?

Overall I had a much better day today, and found a good honest if expensive local garage to care for my new baby ;)

Hopefully things are on the up, thank you for all your help and advice, hopefully I may be able to repay the favour some time ;)

Steve

gaaables
27-01-07, 19:59
glad to hear it mate, i can confirm it doeshave a hks 1.6mm head gasket, and a nut and stud conversion.

ive never quoted 500bhp it was the previous owner to me.

nick from gt cars must have been trying it on with me saying that it has popped its head gasket so he could try and get out of paying out to fix my car

gaaables
27-01-07, 20:06
and i had the oils etc changed 100 miles before i sold the car with proper good oil, so i very much doubt its been changed, but then didnt need to be

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 20:09
most likely.,...either way he has lied with regards the cars spec, I appreciate that your advert was quite honest, although a couple bits are not there...Nick glamorised it a bit lol! ;)

Still not sure what to make of the remapping thing but better safe then sorry I guess.

Overall im happy with the car and will get it looking stunning in no time..the metallic sound when on full turbo swing is my only concern as I dont know what sounds are normal....

Thanks for your input gaaables, whats the situation on the stereo...seems you were in the middle of doing something with it?

Steve

StevenSheen
27-01-07, 20:34
Nick has sent me a further email...he does seem to be complying at the moment and in light of my recent discoveries I am starting to feel less resentment toward him...even if it was not entirely as advertised, he said

I will hook you up with a guy who can check the map, i assure you there is nothing wrong with the engine though. If it is bubbling, it could be the rad that's blocked and could do with changing? (about 250) but if worst comes to worst its still under warranty from the people who built the engine for Russell - the previous owner..

Ill make sure your ok with this Steve your a nice guy and i promise to help, umm the next part was removed as it was not complimentary of you guys...:rolleyes:


Kind Regards



Nicholas Sutton (Director)


Well lets see what happens....

Mike_Mac
27-01-07, 20:48
good result mate - so long as the engine's sound you've got a great starting point to move into more-power land from. :D

buster
27-01-07, 22:13
hope it all gos well for ya mate supras are great cars i am still smiling from when i got mine !!!!

JamieP
27-01-07, 22:27
Ill have a pound with ya that Nick will give you nothing.
First thing i thought when i read the spec is that it would not have 850's in it.
If i was you mate id not go with the extra expense of mapping the f-con if your only on 440's and bpu spec.. id just use stock ecu for now and keep the f-con for if you ever go single.
Good luck with it all anyhow:)

tooquicktostop
27-01-07, 22:30
Oh No!!

TDI will be very expensive, trust me I know first hand on this and all of your issues, get your car to Turbofit and let them sort it, if you have standard injectors ( i did ) your F Con is way over the top for your set up, I feel for you mate and hope thinks get sorted

gaaables
28-01-07, 01:10
most likely.,...either way he has lied with regards the cars spec, I appreciate that your advert was quite honest, although a couple bits are not there...Nick glamorised it a bit lol! ;)

Still not sure what to make of the remapping thing but better safe then sorry I guess.

Overall im happy with the car and will get it looking stunning in no time..the metallic sound when on full turbo swing is my only concern as I dont know what sounds are normal....

Thanks for your input gaaables, whats the situation on the stereo...seems you were in the middle of doing something with it?

Steve

never heard the sound from the turbos nor did i ever have a problem with them.

and the sterio in the car i never touched, the headunit is pretty good as were the speakers so i never touched it.....


hope you enjoy the car mate, used to really shift :D

StevenSheen
28-01-07, 10:03
Mmm could use the stock ECU but not sure how you would bypass the F-con though?

JamieP
28-01-07, 10:12
Any decent garage will do it for you in no time:)

StevenSheen
28-01-07, 10:25
sounds like good advice Jamie, I have already paid TDI a 50.00 quid deposit to map the fcon so will just ask them to switch to stock ECU instead of remapping.

You guys dont think there is any point in having the upgraded ECU then....

I guess to be honest the cars pretty stock performance wise other then exhaust intercooler and springs, and head gasket and studs..

letmeshowyou
28-01-07, 10:39
if you're planning on doing alot more engine wise then keeping the FCON would be a good idea.

If you're happy with the power as it is take it out, and try and make some of your money back by selling it. It's complete over kill for your current spec.

Ps. Welcome to the club :)

tooquicktostop
28-01-07, 10:45
sounds like good advice Jamie, I have already paid TDI a 50.00 quid deposit to map the fcon so will just ask them to switch to stock ECU instead of remapping.

You guys dont think there is any point in having the upgraded ECU then....

I guess to be honest the cars pretty stock performance wise other then exhaust intercooler and springs, and head gasket and studs..

I just sent you a PM but your PM box is full ;)

Gamer
28-01-07, 10:51
if you're planning on doing alot more engine wise then keeping the FCON would be a good idea.

If you're happy with the power as it is take it out, and try and make some of your money back by selling it. It's complete over kill for your current spec.

Ps. Welcome to the club :)


It will cost more to take the Fcon out and return the car to stock then what he will be able to get for the Fcon in a private sale.


I would like to know why you are thinking of getting the remap ?

What is the problem with the car ?

tooquicktostop
28-01-07, 10:55
It will cost more to take the Fcon out and return the car to stock then what he will be able to get for the Fcon in a private sale.


I would like to know why you are thinking of getting the remap ?

What is the problem with the car ?

I think I read yesterday he has several issues including a head gasket problem and detonation on the top of the pistons, his map is not set for standard injectors, he was told it had 800cc or somethink !!, I have offered him to come over to mine and have a chat as I went through all this and may be able to help him out, not sure TDI for a re map is the right thing to do as he will end up with a huge bill

JamieP
28-01-07, 10:58
It will cost more to take the Fcon out and return the car to stock then what he will be able to get for the Fcon in a private sale.


I would like to know why you are thinking of getting the remap ?

What is the problem with the car ?
The car has already killed one engine with serious dett on the map he has.
Cost wise depends on who he uses, i saw greg remove a f-con last week and replace with stock ecu in no time at all.

JustGav
28-01-07, 10:58
The first thing I would look at before you do the remap, is a boroscope exam just to double check the det on the pistons. If there isn't any damage, I'd consider getting it mapped to the usual 1.2bar and no higher. If the injectors are standard then the fcon won't do much, but I have seen fcons on twins before and it ran 412bhp (Surrey Rolling Road), but not reliably..

Havard
28-01-07, 10:59
umm the next part was removed as it was not complimentary of you guys!

Well I wonder why that was.!! Seems strange that a guy was not complimentary about a bunch of Supra owners who know what they are doing and like to help each other out!!

I don't know this guy as he darn sarth but all these people can't be wrong!! It's probably the forum telling lies as we all have 's to gain from feeding people bullshit!!

H.

Gamer
28-01-07, 11:18
I think I read yesterday he has several issues including a head gasket problem and detonation on the top of the pistons, his map is not set for standard injectors, he was told it had 800cc or somethink !!, I have offered him to come over to mine and have a chat as I went through all this and may be able to help him out, not sure TDI for a re map is the right thing to do as he will end up with a huge bill


The car has already killed one engine with serious dett on the map he has.
Cost wise depends on who he uses, i saw greg remove a f-con last week and replace with stock ecu in no time at all.

That is what I was getting to, I am a seasoned TDI veteran having spent well over 20k in the last five years using them. Yes they are good and will look after the car but I assume that he is trying to save some money. I trust you guys have already told him where he should be going ;)


I would but I do not want to burn any bridges. :d

Gamer
28-01-07, 11:25
Personally, I would leave the Fcon in and get the map checked. I ran an Fcon on my Soarer with the stock turbos for a little while while I sourced the single conversion bits. The Fcon did things like, removed the speed limiter, removed the fuel cut and took care of the fueling and timing.

It is already in his car and it would have cost a fair bit to have it installed, I think he should leave it in at least this way he has it ready for future upgrades and does not have to pay for another ECU solution and /or a bunch of other gear.

Digger009
07-02-07, 20:49
Bugger!

You're the one who stole this car!

Was gonna buy it on the weekend after you did. I'm up north so had to make a day of coming down etc, had confirmed with them by e-mail as well.

Was gutted too, looked great for the price.

StevenSheen
08-02-07, 12:08
trust me my friend...I did you the biggest favour I have ever done anyone by buying the car....now I have to stuff piles of cash into getting it sorted....

Lucky old you lol

Digger009
08-02-07, 17:51
What went wrong? I know I've probably missed a post or five, but only recently joined.

StevenSheen
08-02-07, 18:40
Seems to have a blown head gasket so unknown how big an issue that is, also needs a complete engine remap, air con is not working, etc etc lol...

It will be nice once sorted but trust me, to quote cher "If I could turn back time"...I would ;)

Digger009
09-02-07, 17:33
Aw man, nightmare. Found out what caused it yet?

Is it not under warranty?

Conrad
11-02-07, 20:05
Just saw this thread Steven, sorry to hear about all your problems.

I bought a GT4 once knowing it had boost issues, I thought it was just a cracked boost hose. Oh how wrong was I......

So was it a head gasket in the end? Are you using TDI to sort it for you or taking it to Turbofit as suggested?

Chin up anyhow mate, I can imagine how your stomach turns when you're reminded of all the problems. Just remember it's only money and once it's all fixed up it'll make you smile from ear to ear on a daily basis. :d

StevenSheen
11-02-07, 21:15
To be honest I dont really like the way TDI just fix everything till they remedy the problem....they say there is no way to tell if its the head gasket or the heater matrix...Im no mechanic but surely you can tell the difference somehow...Instead they said well we may as well start on the Head gasket and if that doesnt work were do the heater matrix both jobs are about 1400 quid though....so I said...thanks can I have my keys back please lol!

Thats after they fleeced me out of 600.00 quid for replacing a viscious fan which was probably fine and time spent searching for the problem...

So thanks to the advice of the guys on here I booked the car in with Mark at Phoenix as he not only comes highly recommended but also can collect the car for 100 quid on a trasporter for me...its being collected tomorrow incidentally.

Im other the fact that I have been ripped off to some degree and am now focusing on getting her "well" again and on the road for the summer ;)

And just so you know Digger...never EVER EVER buy a car from GT-cars he takes most of the good parts off the car but forgets to tell you he did and doesnt care if a car is road worthy or not before he invests your cash in a fresh batch of pies...

JamieP
11-02-07, 21:37
GT-cars website has been down for a couple of days now... hopefully this is the last we will see of this conman.

tooquicktostop
11-02-07, 21:42
GT-cars website has been down for a couple of days now... hopefully this is the last we will see of this conman.

:sly:

Conrad
11-02-07, 23:02
Keep us posted Steven mate, would be interested to know what exactly is wrong with it.

Robbedbysutton
17-02-07, 12:33
Nick Sutton is still trading on Ebay as SecretCarbon, still advertising in Autotrader under name of S & S Imports and his www.secretcarbon.co.uk is still active. People like this unfortunately don't go away until they are put away.

Steven or anyone else with problems with Nick Sutton - Kent Trading Standards may like to hear from you. 01732 525291

Supra-Dupra
19-02-07, 12:31
Wow just spotted this thread, stung big time, sorry to hear about it, have you made any movement on legal action ?

monkey76364
19-02-07, 13:51
hello and welcome :)