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michel lane
04-01-07, 16:24
As everyone remembers, i have some time free during march 2007. I provided a post to offer my services as a enthusiast to do a single turbo conversion for a candidate. I had various members contact me and thank you for all your enquires. After going through the selection process i had decided on 1 candidate.
WKDTIME has agreed to accept my proposal. Please remember I am not a garage, I purely do this as a hobby. This thread will document the procurement and install of all the parts. I have stated to ADNAN about my responsibility towards this project. This project is to provide a single turbo conversion capable of 550hp, which is my goal for a reliable daily driver. Futher power gains would be achieved on ADNAN discretion.
Warranty of work – This would be a topic that many people out there would address and have various views upon. After each section of the install is done , there will be photographic proof on the condition of work that has been carried out. Please remember many people have different views on ways to install various parts, the install process is based on my knowledge and understanding of these parts, they may be different to yours. As we have agreed Adnan and myself, I can provide a warranty on the quality of work. If parts fail within the first 6 months I can get them replaced or repaired. However as with all single conversions, there must be attention spent on running the cars correctly . e.g regular oil change / regular servicing of all perishable parts/ monitoring of AFR / ETG readings etc …
All moving parts for this project has been purchased , NEW . If a part was used or second hand I will identify this. Tuning of the car be be carried out via a RR ROAD, using a MAP ecu . There is AFR (wideband)/ ETG gauges for monitoring. I will only tune the car to the safe limits of 550hp. Yes the setup can be increased to about 700hp , but I will not undertake this.
Parts such as the turbo will carry the warranty of the manufactures, the same as the inejctors. I can only warranty the condition of work carried out. This has been agreed.
Iam to provide :
TURBO KIT
FUEL SYSTEM
FUEL COMPUTER
Rolling road printout.
Sounds good, you planning on doing a video as well as pictures? Would be nice to have an installation video as part of the technical overview.
michel lane
04-01-07, 16:29
Turbo Pic: Sp67 .68ar. Heat Coated And Polished - New
michel lane
04-01-07, 16:31
that sounds good , but i dont have any space to host such a big avi file. i think the step by step pics would be ok for the time .who knows i may think of it.
Nice turbo choice :) What you controlling the ignition timing with?
-Ian
michel lane
04-01-07, 16:37
I will be using the MAP ecu for this , using the stock ignition map will get me the 550hp that iam after. At the moment there are other areas that Adnan has to think about :
1:clutch - he is running stock at the moment
2:cams
I should get the target amount running 1.4-1.5bar.
mikeyb10supra
04-01-07, 16:40
watching with interest Michael
michel lane
04-01-07, 16:43
Fuel system :
TWIN PUMPS
aeromotive FPR
HKS type fuel rail
880cc / 680cc injectors , not sure which ones at the moment , these are dephi units (new)
Fuel lines are all presure tested.
Small fuel meter.
relays etc...
Turbo kit:
SP manifold
HKS wastegate 50mm
4 inch KN filter
4 inch dp/mp
BL oil lines
4 inch intake pipe.
please remember these are all new units unless stated
watching with interest Michael
His user name isn't miss-spelt ;) :stickpoke: :D
SupraHuman
04-01-07, 17:09
:stickpoke N/A-T's Michel??? :stickpoke
All set up now for an SP T67 conversion which will be carried out my Michel Lane following his previous thread.
We both decided that the whole installation will be documented and photo'd for the club, this will also ensure that neither of us will let each other down as everything will be seen by everyone.
Michel Lane,
As everyone remembers, i have some time free during march 2007. I provided a post to offer my services as a enthusiast to do a single turbo conversion for a candidate. I had various members contact me and thank you for all your enquires. After going through the selection process i had decided on 1 candidate.
WKDTIME has agreed to accept my proposal. Please remember I am not a garage, I purely do this as a hobby. This thread will document the procurement and install of all the parts. I have stated to ADNAN about my responsibility towards this project. This project is to provide a single turbo conversion capable of 550hp, which is my goal for a reliable daily driver. Futher power gains would be achieved on ADNAN discretion.
Warranty of work – This would be a topic that many people out there would address and have various views upon. After each section of the install is done , there will be photographic proof on the condition of work that has been carried out. Please remember many people have different views on ways to install various parts, the install process is based on my knowledge and understanding of these parts, they may be different to yours. As we have agreed Adnan and myself, I can provide a warranty on the quality of work. If parts fail within the first 6 months I can get them replaced or repaired. However as with all single conversions, there must be attention spent on running the cars correctly . e.g regular oil change / regular servicing of all perishable parts/ monitoring of AFR / ETG readings etc …
All moving parts for this project has been purchased , NEW . If a part was used or second hand I will identify this. Tuning of the car be be carried out via a RR ROAD, using a MAP ecu . There is AFR (wideband)/ ETG gauges for monitoring. I will only tune the car to the safe limits of 550hp. Yes the setup can be increased to about 700hp , but I will not undertake this.
Parts such as the turbo will carry the warranty of the manufactures, the same as the inejctors. I can only warranty the condition of work carried out. This has been agreed.
Iam to provide :
TURBO KIT
FUEL SYSTEM
FUEL COMPUTER
Rolling road printout
Can I just say thanks for doing this. Excellent club spirit.
Good man - Can't wait for this thread to develop further mucka.:)
Nice one mate, I look forward to more noisy videos!
Haven't you recently gone BPU?
Yeah i can't thank Michel enough, we have budgeted for £3.5K inc. everything and Michel has kept me updated every step of the way.
Nice one mate, I look forward to more noisy videos!
Haven't you recently gone BPU?
Yup lol!
This offer was too good to miss:)
Yup lol!
This offer was too good to miss:)
Just take it easy with the right foot when you get it back!
:)
I will only tune the car to the safe limits of 550hp
Damn, thats a lot! drool!
Wicked, nice one Michael...look forward to seeing the results!!
supradibbs
05-01-07, 15:15
good luck too you, i had the same exhaust housing on my garrett turbo was a bloody spool monster the only thing that myself and greg thought at the time was it ran outta puff at around 5.5k so cams would be a good investment just my opinion though
Wicked, nice one Michael...look forward to seeing the results!!
Kosi, its Michel, not Michael:D
Your right about the cams, I could have gone for 0.81 A/R and that would have bumped it up a bit but at the cost of a bit more lag.
Ill get them at a later date, besides i always change up at 6k rpm:D
Kosi, its Michel, not Michael:D
Doh!! Again!! :innocent:
supradibbs
05-01-07, 15:21
Your right about the cams,
Ill get them at a later date, besides i always change up at 6k rpm:D
haha very true i never really had a massive issue with it and mine made over 600
you will love the a/r full boost comes in so early and really hard up through the gears i used to spank everything
downside you tend to be on boost all the time near enough so makes the car very very juicy...............but who cares:d
Hows your project comming along?
;) good luck with this lads.
These are the type of things, that make mkivsupra owners club even better :) .
Very interesting and good luck :thumbs:
As said in the other thread, fancy putting a video of it together...
Hell, I'll chip in for tapes and you can even borrow my old vid camera, I'm sure there are enough people here who would help edit all the crud out of it.
What do you reckon?
Phoenix that's a great idea, Ill speak to Michel and see what he says.
My thinking would be,
Get a few camera's, put them on tripod's or duck tape them to the walls....
And just hit record, and then clean it up afterwards...
Video sounds like a lot of hassle and expense for very little gain over photos. Some static video is never going to show much detail and anything else would be a PITA for Michel to do while trying to get on with the job.
supradibbs
05-01-07, 17:34
Hows your project comming along?
work starts at turbofit this month just finalising some dates with them to move the donor 6 speed up there and pull the motor and box.
Then i need to get over to cj to pick up he aerotop i brought from him then strip that engine bay sprayed and body kit fitted engine box in then to my bodyshop for the respray back to turbofit for final mapping then to my workshop for the interior:d
spec
greddy t78
hks rail
hks 1000cc injectors
twin pumps
twin feeds
aeromotive fpr
electric twin fans
fluidyne rad
hks cams
twin hks ssqs
etc etc:p
sounds like a good plan, you certainly wont regret it although your wallet might:D :blink:
Sounds Yummy, good luck:)
what an interesting way to do a single - very interesting idea.....
3.5K - that includes all the kit......right? inc ECU.
What about labour or is that free from michel?
It's everything: parts,labour, mapping
It's everything: parts,labour, mapping
Cool. so thats how much it costs to go single....not bad.
Details here: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=90993
Good luck with it mate, great price too!
Is that with a cast or tubular manifold?
Steven Cordiner
06-01-07, 12:21
Watching with interest :D
You can do mine next lol
Cool. so thats how much it costs to go single....not bad.
Not real Imi, i have alot of the ancilleries already, also this is just a one from Michel....until he's bored again:)
Does sound a very good price all in for what you listed infact it seems to little to budget but i'm sure you have talked it through, your in good hands michel is a good man and very helpful :) :cool: keep us posted :cool: :eyebrows: :)
Does sound a very good price all in for what you listed infact it seems to little to budget but i'm sure you have talked it through, your in good hands michel is a good man and very helpful :) :cool: keep us posted :cool: :eyebrows: :)
Some of the parts are second hand like the DP and Mid pipe, all the important bits are new and he's charging very very little for the install:D
Also i already have the FMIC, Gauges, EBC, AFR etc.
Then that sounds about right then, happy days and enjoy like i said your in good hands :cool: :)
3.5k is well cheap!
u got yourself a good deal there mate!
More updates,
Below is the exact spec for the build so far, it may change.
SP MANIFOLD
HKS 60 MM wastegate
4 inch intake pipe
4 inch dp/mp
Precision polished SP67 .68ar TURBO
Clamps / oil lines / return lines /filter.
Fuel kit
Aeromotive FPR
Aeromotive rail
Walbro Dual fuel pump
Precision(dephi) 880cc injectors
Fuel filter
-6 braided lines
Relays
MAP ECU
And pics,
When's this being fitted?
Jake, it's booked for a rolling road session end of March. So Inshallah (God willing) it will be all done by then:)
Oh quite a while to go yet then. I thought Michel was originally talking about doing it this month.
Anyway good luck mate. You're gonna love it.
Oh quite a while to go yet then. I thought Michel was originally talking about doing it this month.
Anyway good luck mate. You're gonna love it.
He's going to take the car in end of Feb/start of March.
Update!
Going over to Michel's for the single install tomorrow morning....Almost 300 miles to get there, well it's a good excuse to stretch the Supe's legs!
Look out for me on the M1:)
I've been looking foward to this install being documented!
Don't forget to take plenty of nice pics, some of yourself and Michel would be good too. :)
Good luck guy's, hope it all goes smoothly. :) . I'm no expert, but wouldn't 650 injectors be better than 880's on a t67 though ?
Good luck guy's, hope it all goes smoothly. :) . I'm no expert, but wouldn't 650 injectors be better than 880's on a t67 though ?
650's at 1.4Bar in top gear......you'd be pretty close to maxing out the duty cycle of the injectors.
720's would be an ideal choice, but im going for future proofing incase i want more power:)
Good luck guy's, hope it all goes smoothly. :) . I'm no expert, but wouldn't 650 injectors be better than 880's on a t67 though ?
Just to echo what has been said, 650's are not adequate for a T67 if you want to run more than 1.2 bar. Here's some info Ian C sent me:
My 720's at 38psi static run around 85% to 90% duty at the top end of the rev range and 1.4bar boost. 650's are fine for a T61 at 1.4bar, maybe 1.6 if you crank up the fuel pressure, but you'd see 98% to 100% duty at 1.4bar on a 67, leaving absolutely no headroom for the boost creeping up a bit or running richer in higher gears for intercooler effects etc etc so frankly I wouldn't map that high, maybe 1.2bar maximum.
BTW, good luck with the project Adnan, will be interested to hear your impressions after its done.
[QUOTE=Homer;1267613]Just to echo what has been said, 650's are not adequate for a T67 if you want to run more than 1.2 bar. QUOTE]
Cheers for that Homer :) .
What made me think 650's would be ok, was hearing an owner of a t67 saying he wished he'd stayed with the 650's over the larger injectors he has in the car now, something about the car running better, and the bigger injectors being overkill.
What made me think 650's would be ok, was hearing an owner of a t67 saying he wished he'd stayed with the 650's over the larger injectors he has in the car now, something about the car running better, and the bigger injectors being overkill.
It wasn't mapped properly then, or had an fueling computer not up to the job (eg an SAFC wouldn't run properly with huge injectors).
It wasn't mapped properly then, or had an fueling computer not up to the job (eg an SAFC wouldn't run properly with huge injectors).
I wouldn't know mate to be honest, maybe he went for bigger injector's for the reason's yourself and wkdtime have mentioned. His car is mapped beyond 1.2 bar.
michel lane
24-02-07, 17:27
Well Adanan (wkdtime) dropped his car of for me to start the install. The first thing we had to sort out was the clutch , here are some pics of the ACT PRESSURE PLATE/ BRONZE 6 PUCK PLATE and FERNANDIZ LIGHTENED FLYWHEEL.
I will be taking the engine out to do this install because it will take less time. Various problems i have encountered so far is the DP/MP is 4 inch's Adanan exhaust is just short of 3 inch and has a 2 bolt design , i have a 4 inch vband to 2 bolt adaptor to do the job. I think iam going to change the exhaust setup to a 3.5 inch system to the back box..but thats later.
michel lane
06-03-07, 14:00
Well engine came out, this was due to some small issues with the car - leaking power steering pump / broken engine mount. it makes the job easyer and we can sort out any other issues aswell. We inspected the timing belt and it was loose, fan belt very worn . The power steering pump had a leaky gasket so we retified it with a new gasket kit. The engine was held in place with one mount , the other had was not bolted to the car, because the main hanger was broken . pictures of the engine on the floor. The clutch as been installed. Next will be the manifold, wastegate, dp, mp, turbo.
michel lane
26-03-07, 00:58
Well its a week before the tuning and so far we have sorted out :
1:full fuel system install
2:various corroded pipes
3:exhaust issues
The Fuel system we have used is a one deviced by myself, it carries 2 walbro pumps , running a dual line towards the front of the car , then both lines go into a -10n aeromotive fuel filter , then a line from the filter (-10n) ,which then goes to the rail -10n to -6n, the FPR (aeromotive unit) then takes the 2nd input of the fuel rail -6n. The standard return line is used , but converted to a -6n in the engine bay. The location is situated for ease of removal at a later period. I also removed the charcoal canister.
We applied a new koyo rad to the car aswell as a 4inch fmic , this will help the cooling during the summer months. Why we choose the kayo to the fluidyn ?? the kayo is thicker and you can place an new bonnet without the worries of it not fitting properly as the fluidyn is noted for (various carbon bonnets that require bonnet pins).
We also removed about an inch of muck on the engine bay , cant beleive how dirty this car was .. you need to keep it clean from now on ...unfortunately i cant shine the engine , it needs a serious clean and the tb/manifold needs polishing .
All the coil pack clips were shot , so i replaced all of them, the seal for the intake manifold had a kink in it , so we had to replace this. overall the job was not a straight forward as i imaged, but you have to take this into consideration it is a "L" REG car, things are bound to have wear and tear on it ....
Tuning is on friday , so ill post the graph up on monday
michel lane
26-03-07, 01:01
Here are some pics of another customer engine that iam putting together. This is based on the bottom end i have for sale. Just a reminder i can organise installation and tuning of all engines or single turbo conversions done by myself. We are looking for around the 700hp for this engine on standard pump gas.
michel lane
26-03-07, 08:25
bump
Cool, sounds like it's going well even with a few issues! Looking forward to the final result.
Great thread Michel - can't wait to see the results of the graph.;)
Hehe, the pics i have been waiting for, looking very nice:)
Michel once again your a gem of a guy for sorting out a few of the problems that i wasn't even aware of and keeping me posted at every step.
Great job Michel ;)
WKDTime, looks like you're pretty muh getting a NEW Car with everything sorted buddy running in tip-top! Lucky bugger. :)
The engine was held in place with one mount , the other had was not bolted to the car, because the main hanger was broken
:shock:
Just a bit worrying!
Going well Mr Lane!
nice to see you have found a lot of problems on the way through, I'm sure a lot of people would be so focussed on the job in hand that they miss the details.
Michel, can you fit a single turbo for me next, and do you do interest free credit? :D
Michel once again your a gem of a guy for sorting out a few of the problems that i wasn't even aware of and keeping me posted at every step.
A,
I'm just pleased that Michel has been able to sort that 'shed-of-a-car' out for you mate (lol):innocent:
:rlol:
A,
I'm just pleased that Michel has been able to sort that 'shed-of-a-car' out for you mate (lol):innocent:
:rlol:
I think Michel would probably have a heart attack if he had to sort mine out!! :innocent:
michel lane
26-03-07, 15:35
Well its getting there, i dare not take any pics of the inside of the car .... i think adanan should stick with his day job as his skills with supra improvement is lacking in the finner details , being, completing the job that he started !!:d . All should be well for friday for him as he is picking it up. There are some other issues that he needs to deal with when he gets abit of cash.
1: Wheel alignment
2: Brakes- convert to UK spec,people dont go in the car with him with the JSPEC on , else make sure you got a runway to stop.
3: The noisy muffler - or turn the music up
4: Body kit -else you might develope chitty chitty bang bang side skirt wings over 100 liptons....:p
5: The huge rev counter on the dash !!! how big is it , it seems he needs a reminder to change gear , with the big red light !!;)
But apart from this it will be a nice car to drive ....:thumbs:
A,
I'm just pleased that Michel has been able to sort that 'shed-of-a-car' out for you mate (lol):innocent:
:rlol:
Bitch..Hater:innocent:
Just saw your engine bay pic......you tart!
We also removed about an inch of muck on the engine bay , cant beleive how dirty this car was .. you need to keep it clean from now on ...unfortunately i cant shine the engine , it needs a serious clean and the tb/manifold needs polishing .
TurboFit said the same about my car... HAHAA!!!
:p
Well its getting there, i dare not take any pics of the inside of the car .... i think adanan should stick with his day job as his skills with supra improvement is lacking in the finner details , being, completing the job that he started !!:d . All should be well for friday for him as he is picking it up. There are some other issues that he needs to deal with when he gets abit of cash.
1: Wheel alignment
2: Brakes- convert to UK spec,people dont go in the car with him with the JSPEC on , else make sure you got a runway to stop.
3: The noisy muffler - or turn the music up
4: Body kit -else you might develope chitty chitty bang bang side skirt wings over 100 liptons....:p
5: The huge rev counter on the dash !!! how big is it , it seems he needs a reminder to change gear , with the big red light !!;)
But apart from this it will be a nice car to drive ....:thumbs:
What's wrong with the Rev counter? :tongue:
:d
What's wrong with the Rev counter? :tongue:
:d
If you need to ask.... :p
michel lane
26-03-07, 16:11
THORIN , free credit .....ahhahahahhaah, use the credit card you have ...
michel lane
26-03-07, 16:14
The good thing about this car is , its going to go like stink when its finished , and it will be ready for big power in the following months , just knock the boost up and it will handle it , well only up to about 1.8 bar......:d
Excellent thread :)
Been hearing lots of good words about you Mr Lane... Cant wait to see it back on the road.
GeordieSteve
26-03-07, 20:53
Michel, is this the car that came in when I was down the garage?
Good luck, love a public project like this!
Bitch..Hater:innocent:
Just saw your engine bay pic......you tart!
Can't wait for the finished result mate;)
I think Michel would probably have a heart attack if he had to sort mine out!! :innocent:
Hey.. a problems not a problem until you know about it... lol
Adnan - How do I get in touch with you; seems like you have disabled PMs and Emails....
You could of put some clothes on before taking pics of that turbo Michel ... :haha:
that sounds good , but i dont have any space to host such a big avi file. i think the step by step pics would be ok for the time .who knows i may think of it.
You take the video and I'll sort the rest out for you m8, I'll give you a place to upload it and happy to add any editing / titles you want.
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