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AntzRowe
14-09-06, 22:27
Hi guys, this is my first post, but will prob start living on here soon! Currently selling my bike to fund the new purchase.

Any info and advice on N/A would be great, if anyone can help.

Or if anyone is selling one, looking for a silver or black, low miler in excellent condition, has to be a manual though and either hard top or aerotop.

cheers

Ant

Jake
14-09-06, 22:28
Why an NA?

markymark
14-09-06, 22:38
why not an N/A?:p


:hello: :welcome:

mk47
14-09-06, 22:39
either hard top or aerotop.


welcome to the club ant. check out for sale section theres quite a few on there.

also, if you cant find a decent hard top or aerotop, what other option will you go for? :p

ChrisSZ
14-09-06, 22:42
Welcome and good luck with the search dude :)

CJ
14-09-06, 22:49
If it has to be a manual, you can forget an aerotop.

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 22:57
Would love a tt, but im only 22 and will be paying enough to run and insure a N/A, heard the tt are very thirsty and Ive a heavy right foot!

Just sold my 328i sport so a N/A is still a step up in power.

CJ
14-09-06, 23:00
Would love a tt, but im only 22 and will be paying enough to run and insure a N/A, heard the tt are very thirsty and Ive a heavy right foot!

Just sold my 328i sport so a N/A is still a step up in power.

Some insurance companies will charge you more for an NA than a TT and the MPG is just about the same. The only true savings are in the cost of buying. You will normally buy an NA of the same year cheaper than a TT.

CJ
14-09-06, 23:01
BTW, are you a "Jack" or a "Sospan"? :d ;)

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:03
cheers guys, seen the one i like, and agreed a price wit the guy whos selling but not sure if its overpriced?

How much do you reckon this car is worth guys? its had 7previous owners showing on the v5 and one of the mot is suspect, done 10k in 1st year, 7k in the secound MoT, which is fine but then only 900 odd miles for the 3rd MOT! just a bit worrying, normal milage again then for the last couple of MOts.

Also owner has only had it since April.

Any input would be great as I dont wanna make a big mistake!!

car on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&item=250027701207&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

CJ
14-09-06, 23:04
The seller is an ex member on here and frigging crackers. You buy this care at your peril (IMHO) :(
Also, if you look at the seller of the car and the bidder I think you will find they are one in the same.

Walk away from this one mate

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:06
I was told through a friend who used to own a tt that it was crippling to run and maintain whereas I thought a na would be very similar to my bemmer, what do you reckon? as obviously I would love a tt!

Advice off both na and tt owners would be great

CJ
14-09-06, 23:07
I was told through a friend who used to own a tt that it was crippling to run and maintain whereas I thought a na would be very similar to my bemmer, what do you reckon? as obviously I would love a tt!

Advice off both na and tt owners would be great

I have obviously become invisible and silent. :rolleyes:

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:08
really cj! please tell me more mate, as Ive pretty much got my heart set - same old story though heart sayin one and head the other!

At the right price though would it be feasiable?

Charlotte
14-09-06, 23:08
I have obviously become invisible and silent. :rolleyes:

Just the way I like it. :d

CJ
14-09-06, 23:09
really cj! please tell me more mate, as Ive pretty much got my heart set - same old story though heart sayin one and head the other!

At the right price though would it be feasiable?

How much as he said he will sell for?

CJ
14-09-06, 23:10
Just the way I like it. :d
You didn't say that in the shower this morning :p :d

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:12
he was asking 8k which is ridiculous i know, went up to see it and said Id pay no more than 6k tops if he had the scratches in it sprayed. He dropped to 6.5 so I left n told him to think about it.

Few days has passed and now he's prepared to take my offer.

Charlotte
14-09-06, 23:12
You didn't say that in the shower this morning :p :d

Stop getting back on to your hose. :d

Tom
14-09-06, 23:13
Honestly the TT WILL cost much more the run, the n/a apart from insurance probably won't differ too much from your 328, it'll be a little quicker and if your fine with this then go for the n/a, only thing i'll say is buy from a member on here if you can, your much more likely to get a good car, I personally would NEVER buy a car off ebay, there's so much crap/scammers on there.

CJ
14-09-06, 23:13
he was asking 8k which is ridiculous i know, went up to see it and said Id pay no more than 6k tops if he had the scratches in it sprayed. He dropped to 6.5 so I left n told him to think about it.

Few days has passed and now he's prepared to take my offer.
IMHO, that is too dear. Have you looked at the for sale section here to see the other cars that members are selling?

CJ
14-09-06, 23:15
Honestly the TT WILL cost much more the run, ...
Care to elaborate as to why you think this?

Trig
14-09-06, 23:15
Great one here! :D

:Plug:

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=82080

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:18
Honestly the TT WILL cost much more the run, the n/a apart from insurance probably won't differ too much from your 328, it'll be a little quicker and if your fine with this then go for the n/a, only thing i'll say is buy from a member on here if you can, your much more likely to get a good car,


Yeah surely the tt has gotta be a much bigger petrol eating than a na plus more to go wrong, had a turbo car once before n there was always something going wrong!!

It needs to be a car i can drive daily

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:19
yeah been looking at the for sale section, will give them so thought, supra's seem to vary in price mind!!

Jake
14-09-06, 23:31
why not an N/A?

Aren't NAs just living of the rep of the TT? They get lots of kudos from folks because people can't tell them from a TT. There's loads of cars >= NA performance, isn't there?

Tom
14-09-06, 23:32
Care to elaborate as to why you think this?

Why?

1. If your boosting you will be using more fuel than an n/a, nobody can deny this!

2. Servicing - average mileage say 9-10 k per year, that's 3 oil changes a year compared to 1 for the n/a

3. If the turbo's go/valve stem seals/ your looking at a costly repair bill, no such worries for the n/a

4. If you buy a turbo the chances of not modding it will be unlikely - more mods - more money -more fuel

5. The wear and tear of items such as brake pads,discs etc will be accelorated in the TT

TT's need specialist attention, specialist attention usually means a long drive, a costly service bill and costly parts, the n/a does not need specialist attention for servicing.

There's probably a few other things, but I know for one that if I had an n/a I wouldnt have spent half the amount I spent on my TT, just for things like boost gauges to make sure the turbo's are fine,oil temp,egt's the list goes on as there is so much more to keep an eye on, where as the n/a you can just get in and drive!

All imo of course, and it doesn't deter me from buying a single at all :D

Jake
14-09-06, 23:34
he was asking 8k which is ridiculous i know, went up to see it Was he a chavvy looking ginger geezer with a gold necklace outside his t-shirt?

Homer
14-09-06, 23:40
Ant, I came from an e36 328i to a Supra TT, the performance increase even with a stock TT was breathtaking. But, to be honest if I went to an NA I would have been very disapointed.

A TT will cost more to run if you buy a bad one. They are slightly heavier on fuel when driven 'normally' (22 mpg on both), but can use rather a lot if you drive like a loon everywhere.

NA's will also cost the same to insure as a TT import so no benefit there either.

IMO the only reason to buy an NA is if you can't aford a good TT

BTW: I wouldn't bother with that particular car, hugely overpriced (Its an IRE car too) and the ex-owner was a fruitcake.

lui
14-09-06, 23:40
Mate of mine on this board called Rush has & mint S reg n/a for sale low miles under 60k i think car is spotless & i only think he wants around 6-7 k for it well worth the look for a low mileage S reg N/A.
He has'nt put it in the cars for sale section yet but asked me to keep my ears open in case i know of anyone wanting to buy one.

Jake
14-09-06, 23:41
1. If your boosting you will be using more fuel than an n/a, nobody can deny this! I don't deny that going fast uses more fuel than going slowly.

2. Servicing - average mileage say 9-10 k per year, that's 3 oil changes a year compared to 1 for the n/a I change my oil every 5k miles. It's hardly expensive - 40 max.

3. If the turbo's go/valve stem seals/ your looking at a costly repair bill, no such worries for the n/aNAs have valve stem seals too.

4. If you buy a turbo the chances of not modding it will be unlikely - more mods - more money -more fuelNot the car's fault. A TT is more likely to fulfill the owner's performance requirements so he may be LESS likely to want to mod it. I see more NA owners on here moaning that they need more oomph than I do TT owners.

5. The wear and tear of items such as brake pads,discs etc will be accelorated in the TTWill they? Why?

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:45
No, he didnt seem like a chav, seemed a decent enough guy to be honest

Jake
14-09-06, 23:47
I came from an e36 328i to a Supra TT, the performance increase even with a stock TT was breathtaking. But, to be honest if I went to an NA I would have been very disapointed. Do you mean WASN'T breathtaking?


I wouldn't bother with that particular car, hugely overpriced (Its an IRE car too) and the ex-owner was a fruitcake.I don't think it was ever regged in Ireland, IIRC but yeah the previous owner is a complete wanker and proven liar

Jake
14-09-06, 23:49
Was he a chavvy looking ginger geezer with a gold necklace outside his t-shirt?


No, he didnt seem like a chav, seemed a decent enough guy to be honestPerhaps chavness is in the eye of the beholder. Was he ginger with an exterior GLC?


Edit to add;
This guy:
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=34759&d=1146764767

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:51
please tell more jake, as i dont know what to do, why a proven liar, pm me if u can mate

Homer
14-09-06, 23:51
Do you mean WASN'T breathtaking?


I meant the step from the 328i to a stock TT WAS breathtaking - the performance difference was beyond what I'd ever imagined possible. Christ knows what I'd have thought if it was BPU!

If I went from the 328i to an NA it would have been disappointing. Less nimble, yet only a bit more power.

CJ
14-09-06, 23:53
please tell more jake, as i dont know what to do, why a proven liar, pm me if u can mate

Once again my comments seem to have turned invisible. I give up! :rolleyes:

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:53
so he was a member on here..was he kicked off??

Charlotte
14-09-06, 23:53
Was he humming father and son?

CJ
14-09-06, 23:53
Was he humming father and son?

:rlol:

Tom
14-09-06, 23:54
Lol,

I love it when you answer each statment like that Jake,

Oil, if you change it yourself then it's going to be cheaper but most don't,

yes n/a's have stem seals, I've never read of a failure on an n/a only TT's

Modding the TT, I said that because with the TT you know that you can tune the car more, and people do, and once you go bpu I find you run into more problems, afr's not quite right, having to buy piggy back ecu's having the car dynoed,mapping costs, boost controllers etc,

Wearing out of parts, ok yes this can be more dependant on your driving style, but your not going to buy a tt for going slow ;) so higher speeds and braking harder from them, and anyway the n/a is near to 100kg lighter.

But the TT has far more to go wrong, and like I say if something does go wrong it will cost more to keep on the road than the n/a.

I didn't care about this as I had enough money to pay for it, but if your not so sure on your finances it would be silly to go all out in a TT, especially if you havent got 1-2k in the bank incase something goes pop!

Max Headroom
14-09-06, 23:55
I have an NA and I find it perfect as a daily driver, it has more than enough power and handles extremely well. I have an NA because there are normally less things to go wrong than a TT and im not technically minded. The power in an NA is linear whereas in the TT you have the first turbo coming on at 2000rpm and the second turbo coming in at about 4000rpm. If I think of anything else I'll come back.

AntzRowe
14-09-06, 23:58
max, my thoughts exactly

Jake
14-09-06, 23:58
please tell more jake, as i dont know what to do, why a proven liar, pm me if u can mate
No need to PM. The guy we're talking about is a proven liar and permanetly banned from this site. He has sold cars on eBay using photos of cars that belong to other member's of this forum. He's claimed to own car's that aren't his. He's claimed to have won modelling competitions that don't exist. He's signed up to other forums using fake names pretending to be the new owner of his car.
I could go on

Tom
14-09-06, 23:59
Yeah as Jake says, stay away, feel sorry for the person that will buy it, I can just see it when they put their first post with a pic!:eek:

AntzRowe
15-09-06, 00:00
please do, as il feel a mug now! does anyone know whether the car is decent though, as it looks good and ive been up to see it - couldnt give a toss about him as a person though - just interested in the car lol!

Scooter
15-09-06, 00:01
ANTZROWE Buy this na here (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=82198) its a great spec facelift NA manual 6 speed


Its a great car despite lacking turbo's :)

AntzRowe
15-09-06, 00:02
CJ pls dont think im leaving you out!! reading you all!

Homer
15-09-06, 00:03
please do, as il feel a mug now! does anyone know whether the car is decent though, as it looks good and ive been up to see it - couldnt give a toss about him as a person though - just interested in the car lol!

Not sure if you've seen the posts earlier but the price is ridiculous. Interior is horrible and its been owned by someone who hasn't got a f*cking clue how to treat cars. What more do you need to know.

There are plenty more very nice examples up for sale in the club section for far better prices. Why not take a look there?

Tom
15-09-06, 00:04
ANTZROWE Buy this na here (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=82198) its a great spec facelift NA manual 6 speed


Its a great car despite lacking turbo's :)

Jeez, what a bargain!

Scoot suprised your not buying it yourself!

Jake
15-09-06, 00:05
Lol,

I love it when you answer each statment like that Jake,
Good, I'm glad somebody appreciates it. It's not for my benefit but I think it makes it easier to read and understand. I hate reading a reply when I can't figure out what point the person is addressing.
I'm not sure what the LOL was for :shrug:

Oil, if you change it yourself then it's going to be cheaper but most don't, I have mine done a KwikFit. 40 for Mobil1 0w40 fully synth :thumbs:

yes n/a's have stem seals, I've never read of a failure on an n/a only TT'sDo turbo engines wear out stem seals more than NAs? (Genuine question btw, I really don't know- seems unlikely to me though)

Modding the TT, I said that because with the TT you know that you can tune the car more, and people do, and once you go bpu I find you run into more problems, afr's not quite right, having to buy piggy back ecu's having the car dynoed,mapping costs, boost controllers etcYeah Tom, I knew what you meant but you could argue the other way (so I did! :D)

AntzRowe
15-09-06, 00:05
yeah scooter, its really nice, think im gonna give him a call tomorrow.

Just wanted to pick one up with nice wheels n exhaust as so many are, rather than having to shell out extra.

Still, seems a really good buy

AntzRowe
15-09-06, 00:07
yeah cheers homer, think i should stay well clear, just really liked it - especially the wheels and trust me im no chav but quite like the interior as the standard interior looks very dull!

Jake
15-09-06, 00:08
If only CJ was online tonight - he would back me up.

Pete
15-09-06, 00:12
Buy this one - http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=82198&highlight=facelift

Jake - you run Mobil 1 0W - You must be mad. It's like water!

NAs are good fun and a great first rear wheel car.

CJ
15-09-06, 00:13
If only CJ was online tonight - he would back me up.

I am here but, TBH, I give up arguing as people dont ever seem to listen. :(

Charlotte
15-09-06, 00:13
If only CJ was online tonight - he would back me up.

:rlol:

Tom
15-09-06, 00:13
Good, I'm glad somebody appreciates it. It's not for my benefit but I think it makes it easier to read and understand. I hate reading a reply when I can't figure out what point the person is addressing.
I'm not sure what the LOL was for :shrug:
I have mine done a KwikFit. 40 for Mobil1 0w40 fully synth :thumbs:
Do turbo engines wear out stem seals more than NAs? (Genuine question btw, I really don't know- seems unlikely to me though)
Yeah Tom, I knew what you meant but you could argue the other way (so I did! :D)

pmsl,

the 'lol' was for each time you do the whole quote thing it feels like your being prosectuted in a court room :p


Stem seals, tbh I don't know! but I just know that it was one of the major things to check when buying a TT, I guess it should probably be checked on both, it just seems it was geared more towards the TT?

Max Headroom
15-09-06, 00:14
It seems to me that the TT boys seem to spend all their time in the garage rather than on the road, you know, on the road for a week then off the road for 3 months to get new turbos or bigger turbos or mapping or whatever. Whereas the NA boys spend all their time on the road enjoying the Supe :)

Max Headroom
15-09-06, 00:15
I am here but, TBH, I give up arguing as people dont ever seem to listen. :(

Sorry CJ missed that :)

supra-lover
15-09-06, 00:16
It seems to me that the TT boys seem to spend all their time in the garage rather than on the road, you know, on the road for a week then off the road for 3 months to get new turbos or bigger turbos or mapping or whatever. Whereas the NA boys spend all their time on the road enjoying the Supe :)

YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE MY FRIEND:)

Scooter
15-09-06, 00:18
Tom i am tempted by alot of sup's coming up at the moment but the Blue one is still around and may return to me next year........we'll see :)

CJ
15-09-06, 00:18
It seems to me that the TT boys seem to spend all their time in the garage rather than on the road, you know, on the road for a week then off the road for 3 months to get new turbos or bigger turbos or mapping or whatever. Whereas the NA boys spend all their time on the road enjoying the Supe :)
Without putting too fine a point on it, that is bollocks. Yes you can cite induviduals who are looking for more power but one week on and 3 months off? I dont think so.

All I see is the NA people trying to convince themselves and others that the "poor mans vesion" is a worthwhile purchase. At the end of the day what makes the Supra a great car is the performance and the NA has not got that.

Charlotte
15-09-06, 00:20
Without putting too fine a point on it, that is bollocks. Yes you can cite induviduals who are looking for more power but one week on and 3 months off? I dont think so.

All I see is the NA people trying to convince themselves and others that the "poor mans vesion" is a worthwhile purchase. At the end of the day what makes the Supra a great car is the performance and the NA has not got that.

You're putting me off that N/A. :(

CJ
15-09-06, 00:21
You're putting me off that N/A. :(

I meant to add - other than facelift NA's which are worth the money and the wait ;)

AntzRowe
15-09-06, 00:21
Right guys, im off for some shut eye, cheers for giving a warm welcome and your advice.

nite all

Max Headroom
15-09-06, 00:24
Without putting too fine a point on it, that is bollocks. Yes you can cite induviduals who are looking for more power but one week on and 3 months off? I dont think so.

All I see is the NA people trying to convince themselves and others that the "poor mans vesion" is a worthwhile purchase. At the end of the day what makes the Supra a great car is the performance and the NA has not got that.

CJ I was generalising the point, and I don't think its bollocks. It is in my opinion a fair example to cite. And as for the TT is better than an NA dont bother, this is a Supra forum not a Supra TT or Supra NA forum.:p

Pete
15-09-06, 00:25
I loved my NA. I even bought a facelift gunmetal TT and sold it a month later in favour of keeping Mertoc (the NA).
Turbos aren't the everything, some people just like a nice looking motor that still goes faster than 95% of the traffic on the road.

Homer
15-09-06, 00:27
Amen CJ, Amen :notworthy

Jake
15-09-06, 00:27
the 'lol' was for each time you do the whole quote thing it feels like your being prosectuted in a court room :p I put it to you, Mr Raper, that you are willfully and deliberatly avoiding defence of your forced induction brothers in order to garner cheap and shoddy support from the suction addicted underclass of Supra owners. Shame on you sir.
The prosecution rests m'lud



YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE MY FRIEND:) :taped:

Scooter
15-09-06, 00:28
Well i've had two turbos and three non turbos so feel qualified to comment.

Neither of my turbo's (stock) were off the road for any appreciable time. One sprung a oil leak, but i still drove it to JPS to be fixed.

The NA's have been more reliable i spose but really all the sup's i had have been reliable, i've never been stranded by the roadside in all these years.

Ok so while i will go with CJ that TT's are reliable, i would definitely disagree with the fact that a NA is not a worthwhile purchase. They are great cars, second fiddle to a TT? of course but great fun is to be had with one. At the end of the day what makes a supra a great car to CJ and Jake is the power.......thats fine by me........but it doesn't mean a NA is not a worthwhile purchase to someone else who's priorities (including cost) are different.

CJ
15-09-06, 00:29
My last post may have come across overly aggressive. It was not my intention and I apologise if it did. My only excuse is that I have had one shit day! :(

Tom
15-09-06, 00:32
I put it to you, Mr Raper, that you are willfully and deliberatly avoiding defence of your forced induction brothers in order to garner cheap and shoddy support from the suction addicted underclass of Supra owners. Shame on you sir.
The prosecution rests m'lud


:


ROFL!:p

Without trying to make it sound worse, but the 'raper' bit takes me back to being on the playground as a kid,lol, it was homas raper then though as someone decided to rub out the first letter of my full name on all my books!haha

Jake
15-09-06, 00:32
I'm not gonna post anymore in this thread in case CJ beats me up - night night everyone

Max Headroom
15-09-06, 00:33
My last post may have come across overly aggressive. It was not my intention and I apologise if it did. My only excuse is that I have had one shit day! :(

No apology needed CJ

CJ
15-09-06, 00:33
I'm not gonna post anymore in this thread in case CJ beats me up - night night everyone

Nite nite Jakey wakey :d

Scooter
15-09-06, 00:38
No apology needed CJ

too right.........less me guess Flossy the inflatable sheep springs a leak and you've misplaced the puncture repair kit.........we've all had those sort of days, haven't we? :d

CJ
15-09-06, 00:40
too right.........less me guess Flossy the inflatable sheep springs a leak and you've misplaced the puncture repair kit.........we've all had those sort of days, haven't we? :d

Thats racist :tongue: or sheepist :d

Whitesupraboy2
15-09-06, 10:18
Well i cant be arsed to read all the dribble thats flowed in this thread :D. So im just gonna comment on the running costs of NA to TT seeing as ive just done the switch.

MPG - correct not much difference, my NA saw 24mpg with spirited driving and normal driving and on the motorway it saw 29mpg. In money terms 20 got me 110 - 120miles.

The TT (BPU) is getting me 18mpg, so not too much difference really. (although it is 25% less). Anyway the TT is thirsy...why... because you cant help yourself sometimes but get the 2nd turbo online and then it eats the fuel. Foot to the floor in a NA does not hurt yuou as much as foot to the floor in a TT (read you got a heavy foot)

I would say my TT is costing me about an extra 80 - 100 a month in fuel, not that i mind i prepared myself for it. :) My NA i use to just get in and drive and not care bout putting my foot down, now im more cautious because of the turbo's kicking in.