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Few questions regarding the above,
Will it be ok to fit to a stock engine bar cams?
What cc Injectors are reccomended? 720cc or above?
Is it the same size unit as the BL T67?
how much is it delivered to the UK Mainland?
regards,
Wkd
I have the stage 3 on a stock engine with no problems although i haven't really used the turbo to its full potential yet
I have the stage 3 on a stock engine with no problems although i haven't really used the turbo to its full potential yet
What size is turbo is the stage 3, 72mm?
I'd want to keep it more street, anything bigger than a 67mm unit might be a bit too laggy for my liking
Im looking for around 500-550RWHP comfortably.:D
I'd reckon most people on here that run the stage 1 would say they're very happy with it 'streetable' use... and thats good for the power you're looking at.
Jarrett will obviously be along to either confirm this or shoot me down in flames...!
Mine's just come back from whifbitz with an apexi FC in it, and it's now running like an absolute dream.... and very drivable.
But i also want the potential to go for more power later, also i dont want to stretch the turbo to achieve the power i want, i'd like to achieve them with out pushing high boost. Hence why i thought the stage 2 will be a good start.
Fair point mate, I don't really want to go higher than a stage 1 as I'm using mine for track/road only.
Your defo on track though for more power and useability.
i have stage 2+, over the moon with it !
ring up jarret from phr, he is the man who will answer all, top bloke
Few questions regarding the above,
Will it be ok to fit to a stock engine bar cams?
What cc Injectors are reccomended? 720cc or above?
Is it the same size unit as the BL T67?
how much is it delivered to the UK Mainland?
regards,
Wkd
1, yes
2, depends on how much power you want
3, same size, but different spec (i think)
4, i had 4 very large box's from phr via bax global- think it was around 300-400 quid, but don't hold me to that.
as i said give jarret a call
1, yes
2, depends on how much power you want
3, same size, but different spec (i think)
4, i had 4 very large box's from phr via bax global- think it was around 300-400 quid, but don't hold me to that.
as i said give jarret a call
Do you know if the stage 2+ can come with a 4" DP as appose to the 3" DP it already comes with?
800's are the most you'd need. (Injector wise). 720-750's are suitable upto about 1.7-1.9bar. Which is all you can really run on a stock engine (with race fuel)
800's are the most you'd need. (Injector wise). 720-750's are suitable upto about 1.7-1.9bar. Which is all you can really run on a stock engine (with race fuel)
Thanx Alex, i think im going to go for the phr stage 1 fueling kit which comes with siemens 720cc injectors.
Few questions regarding the above,
Will it be ok to fit to a stock engine bar cams?
What cc Injectors are reccomended? 720cc or above?
Is it the same size unit as the BL T67?
how much is it delivered to the UK Mainland?
regards,
Wkd
I think we got all this sorted via email the past few days, but I'll post as helpful info for other users who might be wondering!
The PHR Stage 1, 2, and 2+ kits are perfect for a stock engine and stock cams setup. In fact, for the most torque on a street driven car, we dont even recommend camshaft upgrades.
You do need fueling upgrades for anything above 1.2 BAR or 500 WHP. You can do either the Stage 1 or 2 fueling kits, depending on your future goals. If you purchase a turbo kit from us, we discount either fueling kit by $300 anyhow.
Not sure on BL turbo sizes specifically, but ours are 100% genuine ITS Garrett turbos, and carry a 12 month warranty. We also use the genuine HKS manifold and wastegate standard.
Shipping to the UK normally runs about $200 USD for UPS standard air service. If you purchase a turbo kit from us, we normally try to include shipping costs in the kit price or discount the kit as much as possible to help you out.
Most guys in the UK have bought the Stage 1, because on pump fuel its the quickest spooling turbo we offer and makes huge torque and HP by 4500 RPM. However, if you think you want more in the future, I would bypass the Stage 2 and go to 2+ myself. The 2+ has marginally more turbo lag (about 2-300 RPM) but can make 60-80 more WHP at 2.0 BAR on race fuel. But the Stage 1 kit still rocks for most street cars!
Thanks!
[QUOTE=wkdtime;988424]Do you know if the stage 2+ can come with a 4" DP as appose to the 3" DP it already comes with?[/QUOTE/]
We offer a 3.5" downpipe/midpipe and a 4" downpipe/midpipe as options on any PHR turbo kit. However, here are some concerns and facts for our UK mates:
There are a couple of US companies who market the 4" downpipe/midpipe as the greatest and best size available for any turbo kit. This is simply not true, and the reason they make these claims is because you can purchase 4" kits from major US companies (Full-Race, WOTM, and VWR) instead of investing in tooling to build your own. Its much easier to call up and order a quantity of 4" units instead of designing, building, and fabricating your own 3 or 3.5" units.
3" is MUCH better for street cars for many reasons. First, a 3" downpipe/midpipe will make much more torque on smaller turbo systems, at less RPM, and for a broader range. This is because of turbo exhaust backpressure. Second, fitment of 4" downpipe/midpipe units is AWFUL. They often hit the firewall and/or the exhaust manifold in several spots and vibrate like crazy. Third, the 4" downpipe/midpipe combos must also be used with an HKS Ti race exhaust. You can purchase a 4" to 3" reducer, but whats the purpose of that? The exhaust is only as efficient as its smallest diameter. Finally, the 4" is LOUD. Very loud, as in dont drive this near any police at any time of day/night.
I've been including 3" downpipe/midpipe exhausts in our Stage 1, 2, and 2+ turbo kits for almost 10 years now. And everyone continues to rave about the spool-up and huge midrange torque of these kits. We invested long ago in the tools to make these exhausts by hand. Thats correct, we *hand fabricate* each 3" system that leaves here, to ensure the fitment is PERFECT and there is clearance for everything. The difference between a 3" and 4" system on a Stage 1, 2, or 2+ turbo will be almost nil. I've dyno tested these back to back many times, and the only thing I notice on 4" units is the rattle and noise.
Now on larger turbos, such as the Stage 4 (74mm) and Stage 5 (80mm+) you have to run a larger exhaust because at that point we are concerned about top end HP and flow, not torque for the street.
We do offer a 3.5" which is a good compromise between the two, but again we see no difference until you get into a Stage 2+ 67mm or Stage 3 72mm turbo.
Hope this helps some!
Thanks
800's are the most you'd need. (Injector wise). 720-750's are suitable upto about 1.7-1.9bar. Which is all you can really run on a stock engine (with race fuel)
We run 2.0 to 2.2 BAR on stock engines all the time here.. so long as the A/F is PERFECT 11.8:1 and not leaner. Also, just FYI, in the USA, 95% of the fueling kits we sell are Stage 2 with 850cc injectors and MAP ECU. It just gives you lots extra room to spare during top end blasts. I dont like seeing injector duty cycle past 70% normally.
Thanks,
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