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Dave Henshall
15-08-06, 10:51
just joined,

ive got a big turbo escort cossie and i'm thinking of going jap again.

ive always fancied a twin trubo supra, some really usefull info on here it appears, - ill be busy reading up on the buying guides :)

Trig
15-08-06, 10:58
:welcome: fella, love escort cossies. got any pics?

raymanuk
15-08-06, 11:05
Hi & :welcome:

Any pics of your Cossie?:eyebrows:

flyin_scouseman
15-08-06, 11:07
Welcome to the forum mate and i hope you enjoy your stay ;) pretty new to these parts myself. Lots of friendly like minded individuals who like taking the P**S from time to time so enjoy :p hope ya get ya jap car mate :eyebrows: not long had mine and it's been nothing short of near sideways fun!!! My first rear wheel drive car, so ya can imagine how many stained pair of undercrackers ya may need to take the laundry, for fear of ruining ya washing machine :trophy:

Andy

Dave Henshall
15-08-06, 11:12
some pics of my car that may well be for sale in the not too distant future :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/apbms1/pfsig3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/apbms1/coilpack9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/apbms1/cosinwaleswithplate.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/apbms1/cossun2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/apbms1/cosinterior5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/apbms1/cosinterior.jpg

Trig
15-08-06, 11:30
Looks damn fine mate! How much are they going for roughly these days? Gotta be quite rare now?

jamesmark
15-08-06, 12:06
:welcome: to the club enjoy your stay!!

Dave Henshall
15-08-06, 12:54
anyting from abuot 9K for a Q plate upto 12K for a tidy example to 17-20+K for a ultra low miles in original condition.

ive had it over 3 years now and just fancy a change :)

stupra
15-08-06, 13:14
Welcome Dave. Nice motor mate, but if you buy a good TT, you wont regret getting rid of it. :)

raymanuk
15-08-06, 13:17
Nice mate:thumbs:

Dave Henshall
15-08-06, 14:01
so whats the going rate for a tidy UK spec TT with a few tweaks, (pipe, chip etc) i'm after an auto in silver or black.

SUPRALOOPY
15-08-06, 19:27
Welcome to the club. We hope you enjoy your stay and feel free to ask any questions.. Oh have you found the search button yet? Its most useful ;-)

squiffy
15-08-06, 19:34
welcome!
gotta love the cossie!

Homer
15-08-06, 19:52
so whats the going rate for a tidy UK spec TT with a few tweaks, (pipe, chip etc) i'm after an auto in silver or black.

The UK's do demand a premium, I'd budget 9-10k at least. Imports can be had for less but they tend to cost a lot more to insure (damn ripoff insurance companies). The UK cars don't come up for sale very often as there's only a few hundred left. Also, don't be put off with higher mielage, provided its been regularly serviced they can do mega miles (300k+).

Just a note - you can't 'chip' a supra. The 1st level of upgrade for a TT is known as 'BPU' (Basic performance upgrade). It involves a few basic part changes and a boost controller but will see a reliable 400bhp. I would say a majority of the TT's on the club are BPU now.

Good luck in your search.

Dave Henshall
15-08-06, 20:15
thanks homer,

are there not companies the do remapped ecus though, not a chip in the cossie sense but a whole new processor/map setup that is soldered onto the board ?

so what is involved with BPU, decat, pipe, air filter and turn the boost up ?

ive read a bit on fuel cut defencers, now forgive my ignorance, but are these the same type as they used to be ? ie you fit it inbetween the aif flow meter and the ecu and it changes the signal from the airflow meter when running more boost to tell the ecu it isnt to stop it fuel cutting..? if so, 1 glaring question here coming from evos and cossies, if the ecu 'thinks' its not getting as much air ,it wont fuel accordingly and surely yuo will run dangerously lean.... or do the new ones also enrichen the fueling external to the ecu aswell - linked to the new airflow signal?

DamanC
15-08-06, 21:56
:welcome:

Pig
15-08-06, 22:02
welcome, there are a couple of UK's for sale on the board at the moment. One auto one manual. The auto is cheap as chips for a UK!

MR.B
15-08-06, 22:04
Welcome to the club mate - i've always been a fan of the Escort Cossie's. :cool:

Homer
15-08-06, 23:35
are there not companies the do remapped ecus though, not a chip in the cossie sense but a whole new processor/map setup that is soldered onto the board ?


BIG subject here, something which would best be addressed in the tech section. Its one of the most expensive (and most difficult) parts of serious modification. However for BPU it's simply not needed. You only need to do this if you're going for big turbi upgrades (450bhp+)

I'll try and summarise - There are basically two types of ECU mods you can do.
- Piggyback (An aftermarket ECU much is spliced into the existing loom to modify signals the stock ECU. These are not necessary for stock of hybrid turbo's, but are essential for single/big twin upgrades). Generally they cost between 300 and 700 plus mapping at 300-600 and fitting
- Standalone (Full ECU replacement with aftermarket unit, I.e. AEM). Cost for ECU around 850 - 1500, mapping 500-1500 and fitting



so what is involved with BPU, decat, pipe, air filter and turn the boost up ?

Yes, more or less. For a UK spec you'll need:
- Full service (engine must be in good condition with fresh filters, fluids, etc)
- Double decatt
- Aftermarket cat-back
- Fuel cut defender
- Stock UK pump is good, but as its 10 yrs old its best to renew
- Colder plugs (e.g ik22)
- Boost controller (boost can be raised to 1.2 bar which is considered the safe limit, though the UK turbos can handle much more. Most will tell you the turbo is beyond its efficiency range at more than this so anymore than 1.3 bar is pointless)

Aftermarket air filters are not recommended on these cars, they don't like hot air from the engine bay. The stock system is good for 500bhp or so.


ive read a bit on fuel cut defencers, now forgive my ignorance, but are these the same type as they used to be ? ie you fit it inbetween the aif flow meter and the ecu and it changes the signal from the airflow meter when running more boost to tell the ecu it isnt to stop it fuel cutting..? if so, 1 glaring question here coming from evos and cossies, if the ecu 'thinks' its not getting as much air ,it wont fuel accordingly and surely yuo will run dangerously lean.... or do the new ones also enrichen the fueling external to the ecu aswell - linked to the new airflow signal?

The system is a little more sophisticated, but safer. The stock ECU cuts fuel if slightly more than stock boost levels are exceeded (0.8 bar I believe). An FCD splices a couple of wires on the stock ECU to raise this limit (or remove it completely dependant on which one you buy).

The stock ECU 'learns' how much fuel to supply so will not run lean until fuel injetor supply is surpassed. With a UK car this is impossible to do with stock or hybrid turbos (The 550cc's are plenty).

Kittyclaws
16-08-06, 00:15
Hello and welcome matey

Dave Henshall
16-08-06, 08:55
thannks guys.

ill be mostly trawling through the tech senction today ;)

Bob
16-08-06, 09:10
Welcome to the club mate and happy trawling :)

There's also quite a few handy tech bits over on www.mkiv.com , especially guides for installing FCD's and such.

Dave Henshall
16-08-06, 10:16
ive read the article on the greddy fuel cut defenser....

it does axactly what i thought - which is ok - BUT my question is HOW does the ecu keep the AFR correct when the engine is working hard ' on boost' when its only fuellng for 0.8 bar boost say... i know its got closed loop fuelling with the o2 sensor BUT surely that is only a narrow band sensor for keeping the ARF right when at idle or on cruise - when at WOT conditions, surely the ecu needs more inputs than a fixed (simulated) airflow voltage? do they have a MAP sensor aswell as a MAF sensor?

markssupra
16-08-06, 11:15
:welcome: Nice cossie you have there.

Green Peace
16-08-06, 11:49
Welcome Dave.

Si
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jaymdee
17-08-06, 18:28
ive read the article on the greddy fuel cut defenser....

it does axactly what i thought - which is ok - BUT my question is HOW does the ecu keep the AFR correct when the engine is working hard ' on boost' when its only fuellng for 0.8 bar boost say... i know its got closed loop fuelling with the o2 sensor BUT surely that is only a narrow band sensor for keeping the ARF right when at idle or on cruise - when at WOT conditions, surely the ecu needs more inputs than a fixed (simulated) airflow voltage? do they have a MAP sensor aswell as a MAF sensor?

Hi mate, nice Cossie. :D

Whilst I'm not really clued up too much on the techie stuff, I believe the stock ECU is capable of fuelling the car to 1Bar boost. However, the Supra runs very very rich, so at 1.2 bar boost, even though the ECU is only fuelling for 1Bar, you will not run lean. The Tech section should have all the answers :)

J

Jackal
17-08-06, 20:50
Hi mate and welcome,

I sold my Fix Or Repair Daily (FORD);) a while ago and never looked back:) :d :d :d

Nice Cossie:d

monkey76364
18-08-06, 10:20
Hello and welcome :)