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mikeyb10supra
18-07-06, 09:29
HI There
im wondering if there is a small single turbo kit you guys produce for all us auto boys with very very fast spool up time and giving a maximum output of around 450-500 bhp, I would like to keep the car very streetable but at the same time build a car capable of some very fast mid range runs, I really want to use 550cc injectors and not stress the old automatic transmission to much, either hence staying small single
any ideas or suggestions wuold be great as I am trying to get a feeling for whats out there
Also was swaying towards e-manage but want the auto shifts not to be effected to much any reccomendations?
cheers
MIke
I'd be very interested to know the recommendation for this. I'm in the same boat really. I had planned to set the maximum bhp at 550 with a daily usage being between 450-500.
You want something approaching a T57 in size.
PHR Stage 1 kit sounds right up your street to me fellas.
PHR Stage 1 kit sounds right up your street to me fellas.
Any idea how much that costs?
£2595 +vat from Whifbitz (http://www.whifbitz.co.uk/supra-turbo.html).
The BL61 kit from Vortex Power (http://vortexpower.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1_4&products_id=32&osCsid=0e9a95cdf26876deec7b3016ba2d3e2f) would also be a good choice.
We have these in stock here in the UK. We only carry the Obiwan version though, which is considered by soem to be the ultimate street kit.
mikeyb10supra
18-07-06, 16:15
Martin can you PM me a price Please
We have these in stock here in the UK. We only carry the Obiwan version though, which is considered by soem to be the ultimate street kit.
The "Obiwan" version is not an authorized PHR version, and does not carry the PHR warranty if anyone outside of PHR modifies it.
Thanks
JH
HI There
im wondering if there is a small single turbo kit you guys produce for all us auto boys with very very fast spool up time and giving a maximum output of around 450-500 bhp, I would like to keep the car very streetable but at the same time build a car capable of some very fast mid range runs, I really want to use 550cc injectors and not stress the old automatic transmission to much, either hence staying small single
any ideas or suggestions wuold be great as I am trying to get a feeling for whats out there
Also was swaying towards e-manage but want the auto shifts not to be effected to much any reccomendations?
cheers
MIke
Hi Mike, and guys. The PHR Stage 1 was developed primarily for the auto cars using a stock or built auto transmission, stock cams, stock intake plenum, and even stock fuel system if your needs call for no more than 500 BHP. The PHR Stage 1 has been one of the most popular kits for many years, because it offers the fastest spool-up of ANY single kit anywhere, period. It also makes peak torque by 4500 RPM and peak HP by 5500 RPM. But as we all know, its the torque that makes the car quick and fun to drive on the street.
As far as your transmission is concerned, the Stage 1 will work fine with your stock auto box and stock converter if you wish to keep it. On the Emanage, it depends on your setup. We use MAP ECU, but the Emanage can do much the same except remove the MAF (if so equipped).
When comparing to other kits on the market (BL was mentioned but hardly a competitor), the Powerhouse kits are top notch. Just ask anyone who has purchased one lately. We are the ONLY company using the ORIGINAL HKS exhaust manifold and HKS GT Wastegate in our kits. We do not sell copied, made in China manifolds that crack after 6 months. All of our components are HPC black 2000 coated (lifetime warranty), and we use only the best components available including teflon S/S braided lines. The turbo compressor housing is also polished, standard. And best of all, all of our kits are 100% modular and interchangeable, meaning if you want to upgrade to a Stage 2 or 2+ next year, you simply swap turbos.
We usually stock the Stage 1 and Stage 2+ kits on the shelf, since those are our highest sellers 10-1. Anyone who has ever purchased a PHR kit will tell you, the spool-up is incredible and the torque is outrageous on pump fuel.
And to answer upcoming questions I can forsee about the DBB option, spending an extra $700USD on the Dual Ball Bearing Option makes NO difference in spool up of the kit (Stage 1). The DBB lineup was designed for RACE CARS requiring an extra layer of protection in constant high boost applications (2.0 BAR). It was not designed or intended for street car use, as DBB turbos can be very picky on inlet oil pressure and adds a great more load to the cooling system. Save your money and get a fuel pump upgrade instead.
If any of you have any questions about our kits, feel free to email me directly anytime, jarrett@powerhouseracing.com
Thanks,
JH
You want something approaching a T57 in size.
Our PHR Stage 1 is a 60mm, thats the smallest I'd go with personally. There is almost nil difference in spool up between a 57 and 60mm wheel.
JH
I'd be very interested to know the recommendation for this. I'm in the same boat really. I had planned to set the maximum bhp at 550 with a daily usage being between 450-500.
The PHR Stage 1 makes between 400-450 WHEEL HP (550 BHP) in pump fuel trim daily at 17 psi using the stock auto box.
JH
£2595 +vat from Whifbitz (http://www.whifbitz.co.uk/supra-turbo.html).
The BL61 kit from Vortex Power (http://vortexpower.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1_4&products_id=32&osCsid=0e9a95cdf26876deec7b3016ba2d3e2f) would also be a good choice.
You can also order direct from PHR anytime, we ship overseas to the UK almost daily. However, if you want an authorized dealer to perform the install, we recommend you purchase from the dealer. Whatever is easiest for you.
Thanks
JH
The PHR Stage 1 makes between 400-450 WHEEL HP (550 BHP) in pump fuel trim daily at 17 psi using the stock auto box.
JH
I'M SOLD!
Now I'd better start saving the pennies.
Hello chaps.
I'm just wondering, how much of this applies to a manual 5/6 speed N/A?
Not that I own one yet :/ but i'm most likely sticking with manual, for the lovely welsh roads
Hello chaps.
I'm just wondering, how much of this applies to a manual 5/6 speed N/A?
Not that I own one yet :/ but i'm most likely sticking with manual, for the lovely welsh roads
N/A Supra is totally different, we make a Stage 1 and 2 kit for the NA Supra, but its not nearly the same. Stage 1 NA kit makes 300 HP, Stage 2 makes 450 HP. You can read all about it on the website.
Thanks,
JH
Hey guys it sounds as though you are gonna make a lot of UK Supra owners very happy with the Turbo's you are selling for good $$$ and guaranteeing good BHP figures too, Keep up the good work....:) :d :)
Hey guys it sounds as though you are gonna make a lot of UK Supra owners very happy with the Turbo's you are selling for good $$$ and guaranteeing good BHP figures too, Keep up the good work....:) :d :)
So far, all UK buyers of the kits have been very impressed and happy I'm glad to say. We keep trying.
J
would a T57 not make it spool about about 150-200rpm earlier compared to a T60-T61
I have a question Jarrett. Why do your Comperssor housings is nopt ported? IE Anti Surge?
would a T57 not make it spool about about 150-200rpm earlier compared to a T60-T61
No. We've tested a 57 on the kit, spool was almost identical to the 60. 100 RPMs difference is not able to even be detected in the seat of the pants, and is almost impossible to discern on the dyno.
JH
I have a question Jarrett. Why do your Comperssor housings is nopt ported? IE Anti Surge?
Why dont we offer anti-surge compressor housings? This is a complex question and far beyond the realm of this forum. Anti-surge technology is actually VERY OLD technology that was introduced in the 70s and 80s for diesel engines since they dont run BOVs. It has recently re-appeared with new marketing vigor just to be different. However, a properly setup turbo system designed for a given engine and displacement should not require an anti-surge housing. This is especially true of smaller 60, 62, 67, and 72 wheels coupled with a good BOV. In fact, on the GT47-88 turbos we use here we actually machine out the anti-surge portion of the casting and do not use it. We pick up substantial HP gains by doing so. After all, who runs any single turbo without a BOV anyhow? "Anti Surge" has become one of those US marketing gadgets that provides no real-world use in our little corner of the industry.
Thanks
JH
Thanks Jarrett Thats cleared that up!
Thanks Jarrett Thats cleared that up!
Everybody has this idea that they need a T6 manifold, GT47 turbo, and 1500 HP for a daily driver street car HAHA! Thats no fun.
Hi there Jarrett,
Just to let you know my engine drama is sorted and im back to ask you a few questions regarding going single on my uk auto, ive just rejoined this club so thought i'd ask away here rather than my private email.
As you know im not looking for big hp, 500 at the crank is fine for me and think the stage 1 kit will be spot on, my main concerns are the fueling and mapping.
Can i fit the stage 1 fueling kit and will this support a lowly 500 bhp or be overkill.
Also im a bit lost as to the mapping that will be required to run this set up, is the Map ecu going to get my car 100% right or as ive been told by another tuner (what would i want to fit that for you need Emanage)
Regards
Duncan
Jarrett has got a special offer on to the end of this month for members on the stage 1 and 2 fuel kits. I would say just get the stage 2 if you are gonna get it to future proof any further turbo upgrades. From discussing it with Jarret it seems it is best to have that extra space in resefve and it can quite easily be controlled with the MAP ECU
Jarrett has got a special offer on to the end of this month for members on the stage 1 and 2 fuel kits. I would say just get the stage 2 if you are gonna get it to future proof any further turbo upgrades. From discussing it with Jarret it seems it is best to have that extra space in resefve and it can quite easily be controlled with the MAP ECU
Thanks for the info, as i said 500 bhp at the crank is more than enough for me and it wont be upgraded as i want to keep the car in one piece, she's 12 yrs old and done 115k also an auto.
That'll still give me 400 or there abouts at the wheels so as far as my needs are concerned thats more than enough :d main reason im thinking of going single is the heads coming off to be rebuilt so at the same time im doing either a rebuild on the stock turbo's or fit a single, not really looking for more power !!
Think theres loads in reserve reading the info on the stage 1 fueling kit.
It'll support 550-700 rwhp !!! so thats miles up the rd from where i am intending to be :d
Hi there Jarrett,
Just to let you know my engine drama is sorted and im back to ask you a few questions regarding going single on my uk auto, ive just rejoined this club so thought i'd ask away here rather than my private email.
As you know im not looking for big hp, 500 at the crank is fine for me and think the stage 1 kit will be spot on, my main concerns are the fueling and mapping.
Can i fit the stage 1 fueling kit and will this support a lowly 500 bhp or be overkill.
Also im a bit lost as to the mapping that will be required to run this set up, is the Map ecu going to get my car 100% right or as ive been told by another tuner (what would i want to fit that for you need Emanage)
Regards
Duncan
Hi Duncan, the Stage 1 kit is perfect for your needs. That 60mm compressor wheel was designed to produce alot of airflow for good low end boost response and a flat torque curve. It works perfectly on either the factory fuel system or uprated fuel systems. On pump fuel at 18 psi, you'll easily make your 500 BHP, and you'll have plenty of reserve power if you decide for more later! To produce 500 BHP, you'll definitely need some type of fuel mapping. I personally dont like the Emanage for our US cars. If you have a UK MAF equipped car, the MAP ECU will work perfectly for you. I have lots of pre-done maps for our Stage 2 fuel (850cc injectors) and Stage 1 turbo system I can send you happily.
Just email me with your needs.
Thanks!
Think theres loads in reserve reading the info on the stage 1 fueling kit.
It'll support 550-700 rwhp !!! so thats miles up the rd from where i am intending to be :d
Thats true, we have used the Stage 1 fueling kit with 720cc injectors up to about 700 WHP... which is plenty!
Thanks,
Thanks Jarrett for the info and i'll be in touch :)
dangerous brain
18-09-06, 16:46
MMM Is there a 1JZ-GTE application like this??? Not alot of info about on 1JZ's
MMM Is there a 1JZ-GTE application like this??? Not alot of info about on 1JZ's
No, sorry, we dont have a 1JZ specific kit. Not alot of US tuners have even seen or worked with the 1JZ since its not common to the US. However, I can put together a custom kit for the 1JZ. We have a tubular 1JZ header, Tial Wastegate, 4" downpipe, and whatever turbo you wish available. But its a good deal more costly than our standard Stage 1 kit, because we use a custom SS header.
Thanks,
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