View Full Version : Time-alignment settings in the Supra anyone?
Like the heading says...what settings do you guys use?
Ive had several headunit with timalignment and the usual parametric equalizers and such now...and here are the settings i use on a daily basis :)
BUT...as you guys drive RHD's...while mine is LHD...i guess the settings would sound best mirrored in one of your cars! :D
Front Left: 125cm
Front Right: 152cm
Rear Left: 110cm
Rear Right: 132cm
Sub Right: 137
Sub Left: 137
And...to the rest of you that either dont know about timealignment etc. or for those that think it is another bit of useless kit. Test it...you wont regret it! This has got to be heard to be believed! :D
Time alignment settings duplicated from yours wont work in anyother car...
IMO Time alignment just covers problems and does not get to the route of them... If you are having to rely heavly in TA then your speakers are all out of whack...
I start with speaker placement and this is the key to any staging or imaging... and work from there.
Time alignment settings duplicated from yours wont work in anyother car...
Good point :D I forgot to mention that i use the original placement for the tweeters. If you take that piece of info into consideration..my settings will most likely work nicely on a setup with similar placement of the speakers.
IMO Time alignment just covers problems and does not get to the route of them...
I beg to differ....TA brings out the best of a well tuned setup. BUT...i will agree that if youve got crap speakers etc...and just toss the speakers in there...TA wont help much...ill give you that...but if you want the best out of your good setup....you SHOULD give TA a try once :)
If you are having to rely heavly in TA then your speakers are all out of whack...
No one is relying heavily on anything here... :) Its just a tool to bring out the best of the speakers...and their placements...
I start with speaker placement and this is the key to any staging or imaging... and work from there.
Eh...in a car-coupe there are only so many ways you can place a set of speakers...and in the supra...the options are VERY few :) That is unless you want to go balls out...and destroy your Supra in the process :sly:
So....my point is...if you want a nice sounding setup in the Supra...and dont want top ruin the car...get a GOOD headunit that has a GOOD Time Alignment feature...and your all set! :D
Have a look at Pioneers DEH-P88RS forinstance...the auto-TA and the auto-EQ have worked flawlesly..and have lifted the sound-experience MANY levels...on the cars we have innstalled them in. Happy customers...thats what its all about :)
Good point :D I forgot to mention that i use the original placement for the tweeters. If you take that piece of info into consideration..my settings will most likely work nicely on a setup with similar placement of the speakers.
That really does depend on the speakers in question... as some speakers perform better on axis and some off axis...
I beg to differ....TA brings out the best of a well tuned setup. BUT...i will agree that if youve got crap speakers etc...and just toss the speakers in there...TA wont help much...ill give you that...but if you want the best out of your good setup....you SHOULD give TA a try once :)
I have heard crap speakers out perform high end speakers, due to that a major factor of how well a system performs is down to install.... Plus I dont agree with your remark about TA brings out the best of a well tuned system... TA is part of the tuning process... I am not saying dont use it.... but people should understand how all the elements work and what TA actually does... :)
No one is relying heavily on anything here... :) Its just a tool to bring out the best of the speakers...and their placements...
Yup I agree its part of the setup of any high end SQ based system... for 9 out of 10 applications I doubt it is even necessary.
Eh...in a car-coupe there are only so many ways you can place a set of speakers...and in the supra...the options are VERY few :) That is unless you want to go balls out...and destroy your Supra in the process :sly:
I agree... and I did run a complete SQ system in an Austin Mini.. granted it has less dash area.. but there are alternatives methods...
So....my point is...if you want a nice sounding setup in the Supra...and dont want top ruin the car...get a GOOD headunit that has a GOOD Time Alignment feature...and your all set! :D
Have a look at Pioneers DEH-P88RS forinstance...the auto-TA and the auto-EQ have worked flawlesly..and have lifted the sound-experience MANY levels...on the cars we have innstalled them in. Happy customers...thats what its all about :)
I am not trying to slate anybodies comments or upset them far from it I am just trying to get my point of view across :D
But you are being very generalised by how you refer to sound... I highly doubt TA will affect the overall tonality ambience of the sound...but it will affect any stage/ imaging that is there all ready...
Auto TA and Auto EQ are there for one reason (and I assume these are the units that supply the microphone?) to try and get a flat line response on a RTA (which imo flattens the sound out to much and can take away the dynamics)...
Overall I am not saying Time-Alignment is a bad or good thing or dont use it... but trying to explain .. find out exactly what it is before you use it and understand whats its doing...
:)
That really does depend on the speakers in question... as some speakers perform better on axis and some off axis...
Its not only the fronspeakers that benefit from the TA (or Auto EQ for that matter) you know.
I have heard crap speakers out perform high end speakers, due to that a major factor of how well a system performs is down to install.... Plus I dont agree with your remark about TA brings out the best of a well tuned system... TA is part of the tuning process... I am not saying dont use it.... but people should understand how all the elements work and what TA actually does... :)
As far as ive been able to see...your basicly saying "dont bother"? :)
Yup I agree its part of the setup of any high end SQ based system... for 9 out of 10 applications I doubt it is even necessary.
Not necessary? Have you seen a carcoupe lately? :D
I agree... and I did run a complete SQ system in an Austin Mini.. granted it has less dash area.. but there are alternatives methods...
Very few alternatives in a supra....and THAT IS the topic at hand, right?
I am not trying to slate anybodies comments or upset them far from it I am just trying to get my point of view across :D
Yeah...i can see that...but why so negative to TA? What units/TA setups have you tried?
But you are being very generalised by how you refer to sound... I highly doubt TA will affect the overall tonality ambience of the sound...but it will affect any stage/ imaging that is there all ready...
Not especially good staging when one of the speakers are 12cm from your ear...and the other one is a meter away is it? ...and what about the wonders TA can do for you if youve got a sub or two?
Auto TA and Auto EQ are there for one reason (and I assume these are the units that supply the microphone?) to try and get a flat line response on a RTA (which imo flattens the sound out to much and can take away the dynamics)...
You dont have to use the Auto EQ...if you dont like the sound the way it was recorded you know. You can colour it as much as you like ontop of the suggested settings....i wont recomend it though :)
Overall I am not saying Time-Alignment is a bad or good thing or dont use it... but trying to explain .. find out exactly what it is before you use it and understand whats its doing...
:)
If youre tired of listening to your basicly good setup...and whan to take it a step further...go ahead and try a new headunit that features this :)
Anyone else got comments/inputs on settings for the Supra then? :)
Matt Harwood
04-07-06, 23:57
I'll dig mine out next time I take the out. :)
For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of time alignment. Granted, if you have a car you're prepared to virtually destroy to get the best sound quality, then yes, by all means mount a decent set of speaker on axis and as evenly spaced as possibly and yes, it will sound great if it's all installed properly. But if you want to get more from most cars stock speaker locations, then IMHO TA is a great tool that can produce excellent stereo imaging!
DanStwo i dissagree. Time alignment is a good thing with any set up. As its used for when you don't sit an equal distance away from projecting speakers, so unless you drive a Mclaren F1 and sit bang in the middle of the car i'm willing to bet you sit to one side - SO ITS A GOOD THING!!!!
As I said there are alternatives to using Time Alignment.
You can play with the phase of the speakers... then use EQ to boost.
As above though I am not saying dont use it there are alternatives.
For example the EPX2 had a upgrade board for TA.. but very few were actually sold... I would assume because not many SQ systems actually use it.
IMO the key to staging is down to speaker aiming and phase.
Dan :)
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