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Hi all, im new to this forum and already seem to be asking for help.
I bought a UK Spec TT 6 speed 6 months ago. When i got the car it had a whole load of reciepts from TDI in Essex and its had the following work already done. I understand alot of it but as the work was done by someone else i sometimes wonder whether i do understand it all or not. It sounds really ignorant but im not sure where to go next. The owner said that all the work was done in preperation of going single turbo (hence the built engine) but with the work thats already been done im a bit clueless as what to do next.
All the following have shown up on TDI receipts
HKS parts: S type intercooler, titanium pistons, 256/264 cams, vein pressure controller, boost controller, turbo timers, metal head gasket, twin power ignition, ssbov, hybrid turbos, iridium plugs, super dragger exhaust, downpipe, powerflow induction kit, racelogic traction.
Things im clueless about:
its also had engine work: recut valve seats, refaced valves, rod bearings, main bearings, t washers, bore/hone crank, lap crank journals
Plus things im guessing about:
FCD normal (fuel cut defenser i guess) £85 on receipt so is it a good one or not?
Recirculating valve- what is this?
EVC 4 univ £355 on recieipt - what is this?
JZA80 SQV £220 on receipt - what is this?
Cam Pulley 1/2 JZGTE £85.50 any good or not, i guess these arnt the same as cam gears.
There are no cats in place.
All these things are on receipts, ive spoken to TDI who verified the work.
I wouldn't mind going single turbo this year but the receipts make no reference to twin in tank feul pumps, larger injectors or rails. Or would i not need these? Help ive had the car six months and all ive done is put EBC pads on and aluminium brake lines.
MONKEYmark
01-02-03, 03:14
Originally posted by ad500
Recirculating valve- what is this?
JZA80 SQV £220 on receipt - what is this?
Cam Pulley 1/2 JZGTE £85.50 any good or not, i guess these arnt the same as cam gears.
I wouldn't mind going single turbo this year but the receipts make no reference to twin in tank feul pumps, larger injectors or rails. Or would i not need these? Help ive had the car six months and all ive done is put EBC pads on and aluminium brake lines.
thats your dumpvalve/bov
SSQV is a HKS type looks shape of a bullet
same thing i think. some call them vernier pulleys others call them cam gears. i have them on mine HKS ones like a nice purple/pink wheels
i am just reading up on turbo kits at the moment. your car sounds like it is a beast and has lots of work been done on it
welcome to this board
do a search for turbos on this site should bring a few threads up for you to read.
have fun
wish mine had had all that work done when i bought one ;)
THOR Racing
01-02-03, 08:36
Welcome to the list....
FCD normal (fuel cut defenser i guess) £85 on receipt so is it a good one or not?
HKS FCD.
Scales the MAP pressure signal and clamps below fuel cut threshold.
Allows you to boost your turbos above the Toyota ECU settings.
I will not comment on it being good or bad as I sell an alternative and this would be unfair/biased.
Recirculating valve- what is this?
The valve that sits between the turbos and recirculates the pressurised air back to the air intake during throttle off. To prevent build up of back pressure on the turbo blades.
This sounds like a replacement Toyota spec one. That's fine as many at this age don't work anyway. You'd be suprsied how many people drive around with non-working recirculation valves (luckily they fail safe)
EVC 4 univ £355 on recieipt - what is this?
Electroinic Valve controller (not quite sure on exact name)
BUT it's an electronic boost controller.
Allows you to control the amount of boost your turbos generate and hence how much power the car generates.
JZA80 SQV £220 on receipt - what is this?
Sounds like the Sequential BOV (as suggested already)
Works in the same way as the recirculation valve but dumps it's air to atmosphere and not back to the air intake. A bit of an overkill but doesn't hurt, plus they sound great. I have one and removed my stock recirculation valve.
The VPC (Vein Pressure Converter) simulates the MAF (Mass Air Flow) meter which you used to have in the air intake, causing a small restriction in the intake air flow.
This now means that the BOV to atmosphere is O.K. There is an argument that dumping pressurised air to atmos' will give faulty air/fuel calculations when a MAF is fitted.
I'm assuming the VPC takes care of this.
Cam Pulley 1/2 JZGTE £85.50 any good or not, i guess these arnt the same as cam gears.
Don't know on this. CAMs are not my thing.
Anyway, Nathan (representing TDI) will be along at somepoint to put you straight.
Regards
Pete
sounds like sn impressive list.
u might want to contact nathan to get a full low down as he id from tdi and may have seen ur car
thanks for the replies, that cleared a few things up.
Im having problems finding anyone to take the car to who knows about Supra's in general. I wondered if anyone could recommend anywhere around the Oxford/ Bicester/ Banbury/ Northampton/ Aylesbury areas.
Ive tried Toyota Inchcape in Kidlington, Toyota in Fenny Stratford,
Engine Room in Bicester, Performance cars in Buckingham.
Engine Room was fine for servicing and changing the cambelt, but have got a bit stuck recently diagnosing a rear wheel sound (not bearing or drive shaft).
Toyota main dealers were useless, they keep recommending changing parts until we came across the right one.
Id love to find someone in this area who knows the cars inside and out, i just seem to take endless days off work sitting aroung garages listening to peaople say "not seen one of these FTO's for ages". If your out there let me know, id love to give an expert my money.
Leon at JPS Motorsport is located in Bletchley Milton Keynes, 01908 367100.
Is yours the car that has (or had) the Aston Martin badge on the front?
JB
Hi AD550,
Nice spec car. Did you get any Dyno (Rolling Road) results with the car giving current BHP details? Just interested in what a well modded Supra puts out on Hybrids.
Cheers,
Darren
I think this car is the one that guy from Peterborough was trying to sell here a few months back.. with Aston Martin badges on (If so, PLEASE TAKE THEM OFF NOW! :D ) and featured in a magazine?
He claimed about 500bhp? Go down to G-Force @ Aylesbury to get it dyno'd for us please :D
Welcome to the site etc :thumbs: Nice car!
Yes it is the same car, and yes i took the Aston Martin badges off. I couldn't take them off for 2 weeks until the HKS badges arrived, which were about the only ones that would cover the holes left by the Aston badges. I even had one guy follow me to my house and on to the driveway to ask what Aston it was.
That was embarrasing trying to explain it wasn't me that put the badges on, he kinda shrugged and said "whatever mate" and then proceeded to explain to the guy on his mobile that it wasn't an Aston that went past but some guy with a supra who thinks he has an Aston".
I picked the car up for £15000 in the end I think Brian originally wanted £18000 but needed a quick sale. The cars been no real problem since, although in 6 months ive had to buy 4 new tyres (rear camber was badly negative), rear suspension bars, upside down rear bump stop, major service inc cambelt etc. I still think apart from that it was a good buy considering all the work that has been done is documented with receipts. it would have taken me ages to do all that and while i was looking most UK spec cars with maybe only 1 or 2 mods wern't far off the price anyway.
I rang G Force last week to check about dynoing the car. He told me that there were a load of supras down there a few weeks back. Brian said it was 500bhp to me, ill see what comes out when i take it.
Cool :cool: I saw the car for sale when I was looking I think.. but I could never afford the insurance with all those mods so I had to find a stock car.
Looked like a nice car.. funny and sad about that guy who followed you :) I could never drive around pretending to be something else.. and saying to people.. "yeah its an Aston :)", I havent got the audacity! Wish I had :D
I was down at G-Force with the Supras.. hence my figures in my sig.. also went a couple of weeks ago with a m8. Really good place, friendy guys and the equipment used is top notch. They have a nice collection of cars to look at too :)
Titanium Pistons! ????
Don't believe that.
Nathan, could you please confirm or deny these? Thought it was just fitted with HKS pistons, which arn't Ti AFAIK.
Chris Wilson
01-02-03, 19:50
Originally posted by Alex Holdroyd
Titanium Pistons! ????
Don't believe that.
Nathan, could you please confirm or deny these? Thought it was just fitted with HKS pistons, which arn't Ti AFAIK.
The only titanium pistons you might find are in the brake calipers of serious race cars. Engine pistons are aluminium alloy.
Titanium pistons??
You guys are probably right about the pistons. Im basically quoting everyting that was written on the specs list that Brian gave me.
Ive looked on the receipt from TDI and it just says HKS forged piston set. So when Brian said they were titanium i just had to go along with it. I didn't have all that much time to research the mods at the time and funnily enough no-one has ever picked up on the Titanium think being wrong. At least i know now.
Bobbeh
Insurance was pretty cheap at £917 fully comp, all mods listed with tesco's.
WTF! £900!! Dayum, how old are you and whats your NCD etc? :)
Maybe they know its not putting out 500bhp somehow! :D
Originally posted by ad500
So when Brian said they were titanium i just had to go along with it.
Welcome to the BBS!
Ahh...the fabled Supra with red tints, camera on the roof, Veilside kit and of course those talked about Aston Martin badges...
I remember Brian explaining why he had them fitted- it was because someone once commented that they thought the car looked like an Aston (well, the DB7 side profile is pretty close) so off he went and put Aston badges on it! Each to their own I guess.
As for the pistons, indeedy, nice bloke as Brian was, it's fair to say he did get a little mixed up now and then....
Suffice to say the invoice says 'forged pistons' which I'll go along with as being alloy, not titanium.
I'm fairly confident that it won't reach 500bhp either; I certainly didn't quote that and I'm pretty sure Mark didn't either. Around 440 I reckon if it's running as it should. Be interesting to see what it makes. If you go to G-Force please let the BBS know.
The car is itching for a big single or twin but Brian couldn't be doing with the lag. Various options were talked about at the time, including 3.4 but Brian never got around to it.
You will indeed need the HKS fuel rail, regulator, 1000 injectors, fuel dampener bypass and maybe a dual pump setup if you want to go big single/twin. You will also need another VPC ROM (chip).
I don't remember speaking to you about this purchase- maybe you spoke to Mark.
Hope you enjoy the car!
Best regards,
Nathan
TDI PLC
Hi Nathan.
Brian was a nice guy but he wasn't able to give me much info on the technical side of the car because i don't think that he fully understood it himself.
I bought the car on the strength that all the receipts were there, the work was done less than a year ago and it was done buy a specialising company.
The car has been like buying anything second hand, ive had to live with the previous owners adjusments. I am toying with the idea of removing the tints, camera and wooden dash (stick on). The veilside kit i like.
If you could put a ball park figure on the cost of going to around 500-600bhp reliably, whether single or twins, how much would that be approx.
Also does anyone know if the split rim alloys can be blasted and re-chromed, Brian admitted to being an enthusiastic driver and one or two of the alloys bear testimony to that. One or two people have said never split the rim.
By the way Nathan, the engine has been completely reliable (touching wood right now).
Do a search for "Pristene" or spellings similar to that...they do wheel refurbs, not cheap but by all accounts they do a superb job.
Glad to see I wasn't going mad on the Ti piston thing! :D
Single Turbo for 5-600RWHP would be (if we talk about HKS only) a T04R in my opinion.
A pair of 2835's would only need to run moderate boost to get that HP figure (one 2835R is good for 400-450bhp on its own :eek: ). Unfortunately HKS didn't, when I last checked, do a smaller 2530 or similar kit for the 2JZ-GTE motor.
Having said that if you got a custom manifold (which was the main reason 2530's don't fit the 2JZ) I would opt for a pair of them. I wonder if any tuner has a custom manifold for a pair of GT25's...... ;) The 2530's as a pair will run to 600hp. These are probably the best sized turbo's you could use on the Supra (which is to remain a street weapon :) ), which is why its frustrating that HKS don't make a kit for them.
I spoke to Pristine in Milton Keynes about a month ago. They do a wheel exchange system where yo give them yours plus cash and they give you a refurbed set. They didn't have anything in at the time that was 18". They said that they could have a look to see if they could split them but wanted the wheels for a week. As i drive it to work i really needed a spare set and they didn't have any, ill have to wait for a bit of holiday to come up.
Bobbeh
Ive just turned 31 and the insurance people know about all the mods. They sent the details off to the underwriters who came back with the figures. I even got £15 off to put the g/f on. It took about 4 tries to get the documents to come back with the correct mods on, everytime they missed something off which meant more phonecalls. Im dreading having to claim on the policy because Tesco can be a bit slow. 5 years no claims by the way, but the real killer is £700 excess.
Cheers for the turbo advice Alex, HKS have got the T04R priced at a delightful £4350 ex vat. Anything cheaper worth going for or am i just being a skinflint!!!
Monkeymark has a thread going about turbo kits on the General or chit chat section.
HKS are expensive, but they do work....
SP57/60 should be enough for your needs....if it fits a right hand drive car
Why were forged pistons fitted? The stock ones are already forged and as good as anything else available.
Has it got forged rods? These would be a much better bet.
It's a nice car, glad it hasn't got the Aston badges anymore :)
Originally posted by Syed Shah
Why were forged pistons fitted? The stock ones are already forged and as good as anything else available.
Has it got forged rods? These would be a much better bet.
It's a nice car, glad it hasn't got the Aston badges anymore :)
Im not sure why some of the work was done. I agree the stock internals can cope with much higher outputs than this car makes. I guess id have to see if nathan knows anything as to why Brian wanted the work done.
As for con rods i don't know if any were put on, Brian lost a few receipts which is what prompted me to start this post. I didn't want to start paying for stuff that was already done.
Chris Wilson
03-02-03, 09:15
Originally posted by Syed Shah
Why were forged pistons fitted? The stock ones are already forged and as good as anything else available.
Has it got forged rods? These would be a much better bet.
It's a nice car, glad it hasn't got the Aston badges anymore :)
The stock MKIV TT pistons are cast and boat anchorish heavy. A decent forged piston will take a lot of stress off the crank and rods, as well as being themally more stable. Cosworth do some beautiful pistons for the 2JZ-GTE, via JUN.
i cant believe that insurace quote, not that im calling u a liar :) but this inconsistent insurance thing gets my goat. i suppose they'll knock u another £100 off for going single :)
Originally posted by Chris Wilson
The stock MKIV TT pistons are cast and boat anchorish heavy. A decent forged piston will take a lot of stress off the crank and rods, as well as being themally more stable. Cosworth do some beautiful pistons for the 2JZ-GTE, via JUN.
Agreed. There are pistons and there are pistons. The stock items are certainly NOT as good as anything else available.
I believe that the pistons are the only bottom-end mod the car had, mainly because the bores were fairly worn and also because Brian had bigger plans for the car.
FWIW, a mk4 with forged pistons is a good find: it gives you a lot more scope for (reliable) power hikes.
Regarding turbos, yes I would probably opt for an HKS TO4 if I wanted 500~600bhp. As I've mentioned before, a pair of 2530's would be REALLY nice but HKS don't offer a kit. Major shame :(
We fitted 2510's to a stock-manifolded Supra back in the early days when hybrids were unknown. Worked well, especially as the sequential was retained, but the cost would outweigh the power gain when hybrids can get near it these days. Would love to do a custom manifold running 2530's and sequential but the cost would be horrendous. If you're baulking at the cost of a TO4R kit then don't even think about it ;)
Funnily enough, it was Brian who was the closest customer we've ever had to going for it. He was NEARLY there....
Regards,
Nathan
TDI PLC
Originally posted by Chris Wilson
The stock MKIV TT pistons are cast and boat anchorish heavy.
That is certainly very interesting.
According to Larry at SP, they are forged, and he says nothing on the aftermarket is any better.
Perhaps a difference with the US cars?
Chris Wilson
03-02-03, 19:51
They are definately castings. AFAIK all markets use the same pistons.
Originally posted by Syed Shah
That is certainly very interesting.
According to Larry at SP, they are forged, and he says nothing on the aftermarket is any better.
Perhaps a difference with the US cars?
Its an OEM part...its built to a cost to a set of tolerances, you can always get better, Mahle, Accralite, Cosworth all make parts to a higher quality and a higher cost.
I was just costing up the turbo upgrade and unless some of this is in the kit am i right in thinking
T04 turbo £4350
rail and inj kit £995
regultor £115
rail fitting kit £325
injectors £990
couldn't find a price for the VPC ROM chip and havnt included fuel pump
Then some fitting labour on top of the £6800 (???)
That is some chunk of money. Would i get anything for x changing a year and half old set of hybrids.
Going single can't surely cost £6800+labour, i can't help feeling that i might be being a little niave here.
Are second hand turbo's to be trusted?
You may want to consider some of the american turbo kits? I'm thinking of one of the new SP61's for mine, the turbo alone is $1100, I think the full manifold, BOV, everything install kit is about $3000 for the MkIV. And paying £1k for a set of injectors is crazy money, I think the blitz ones come in at half that. Check out the fuel upgrade kits that Powehouse Racing sell, you get everything included from pump to rail at a much nicer price. In short, shop around!
Edited to add: Sound Performance make the SP61 and have an excellent reputation for quality and completeness in their kits.
Chris Wilson
04-02-03, 09:52
Originally posted by ad500
I was just costing up the turbo upgrade and unless some of this is in the kit am i right in thinking
T04 turbo £4350
rail and inj kit £995
regultor £115
rail fitting kit £325
injectors £990
couldn't find a price for the VPC ROM chip and havnt included fuel pump
Then some fitting labour on top of the £6800 (???)
That is some chunk of money. Would i get anything for x changing a year and half old set of hybrids.
Going single can't surely cost £6800+labour, i can't help feeling that i might be being a little niave here.
Are second hand turbo's to be trusted?
I woukld say to do the job PROPERLY you need to be looking at 12K plus. You need to be looking at aftermarket ECU, no point radically changing the engine and then just tinkering with the mapping, the whole set up will need redoing from scratch. ask Terry or Leon, it's a major job.
I agree with Chris on the cost front.
Replacing the VPC Rom was just a suggestion to get you going (after all it worked for a long time on mine and CD's car) and WILL give you the power but it really needs an ECU to do it properly as Chris says. We would fit and map an F-Con if it was here.
Do not underestimate the cost of going big single/twin. Big boys power, big boys numbers and big boys cost.
I could give you several examples of big twin conversions, drive in/drive out costing 20K, singles 15K.
Still EXTREMELY cheap power if you ask me. Name me one other car that gets you even close for twice that price.....
(and don't mention early Diablos for 50K cos they'll cost you dearly to even do shopping mileage in....;)
Regards,
Nathan
TDI PLC
What I don't understand is this . ..
The yanks seem to be able to spend $4k on a turbo/manifold/wastegate kit, $2k on a fuel system, and $4k on clutch, management, IC, and misc. bits.
Then the car runs 11's all day long, does thousands of street miles, with very few problems. Some of em blow up, no doubt, but most of em are OK.
Not saying Chris or Nathan are wrong, but what is it that we do different in the UK that costs SO much more than the big single guys in the US spend?
Originally posted by Adam Wootten
What I don't understand is this . ..
The yanks seem to be able to spend $4k on a turbo/manifold/wastegate kit, $2k on a fuel system, and $4k on clutch, management, IC, and misc. bits.
Then the car runs 11's all day long, does thousands of street miles, with very few problems. Some of em blow up, no doubt, but most of em are OK.
Not saying Chris or Nathan are wrong, but what is it that we do different in the UK that costs SO much more than the big single guys in the US spend?
I'm not sure to be honest! I think it's partly down to several factors. One is the cost of the parts- taking one example alone, the turbo kit for instance- £5,100 inc VAT. You quote $4K. So thats twice the price on the turbo kit alone. Again, you quote $2K on fuel system. An F-Con on it's own will cost that, let alone the rest of it.
There might also be an element of decent cheaper labour. I've absolutely no idea what you need to pay for good spannermen in the States, but I'd wager that it's less than over here.
Heres an idea for example, of parts cost: Most are based on HKS parts, bought from a UK supplier. Bear in mind that this list is an absolute MINIMUM required. As you can see it's not very long..
Super Drager £545
Front pipe £145
T04R £4350
FMIC £1385
EVC-5 £445
Fuel rail, reg & injectors £1220
Spark plugs & ignition amp £540
Cams & pullies £780
F-Con fitted & mapped (approx) £1200
Multiplate clutch £1250
Add the VAT and you've got 14K's worth of parts. That excludes labour, and any other items that most people go for ie gauges, dump valves, suspension, brakes etc. Neither does it go anywhere near the bottom end.
I'm not going to go into whether anyone feels the parts are priced inappropiately. It's just giving an example of how it mounts up. Like I said, it's very easy to hit 20K....
Cheers,
Nathan
TDI PLC
Right Mark, that's $10k + Labour ( cheap turbo kit BTW). Can you map an AEM? They don't feel the need to change internals, we do. How many have you heard of with FMS failure.Etc etc. Each to their own.
Doing it properly costs BIG. I know guys in the US that have spent FAR more than the costs Chris & Nathan are talking about.
I accept what you all say; I guess my point is that one can come up with a workable, useable 5-600bhp engine for far less money than the cost of doing it "properly". For sure, if you spend the extra money you will get a better end result, but I reckon even a "budget" effort would be pretty wild :)
Originally posted by Adam Wootten
but I reckon even a "budget" effort would be pretty wild :)
I agree, for a while.
Originally posted by Adam Wootten
For sure, if you spend the extra money you will get a better end result, but I reckon even a "budget" effort would be pretty wild :)
OK...........
So lets skimp and do it this way:
Drop the EVC and use a bleed valve (we're really scraping the barrel here). Saves £425
Run an AIC instead of 1000cc setup. Saves about £50
Drop the ignition amp. Saves £450
Drop the cams & pullies (assuming you have a UK/US spec). Saves £780
Drop the F-Con and use a pre-mapped VPC. Saves £450
Drop the multiplate and use a heavy duty single like an RPS or CentreForce. Saves £670.
That works out at about £3320 with VAT. A fair chunk but you're still looking at £10,700 excluding labour.
Granted, it will be a laugh but you'll never shake off the fact that you really have cut serious corners. You'll be worrying about the clutch letting go on the 1/4 mile and the boost going wobbly from day to day. Just what you want on your maxed out fuel system. Sure, you can expand on what you have rather than going for it all at once; most people do, but we're talking an overall budget so that doesn't really count.
The problem is that the high value/high labour items are the ones you can't get away without buying.
Just my 2p.
Cheers,
Nathan
TDI PLC
Chris Wilson
04-02-03, 16:17
Originally posted by Adam Wootten
I accept what you all say; I guess my point is that one can come up with a workable, useable 5-600bhp engine for far less money than the cost of doing it "properly". For sure, if you spend the extra money you will get a better end result, but I reckon even a "budget" effort would be pretty wild :)
A: (IMO) Most of the Yanks claims are bull
B: When they do there 11 second "engine tests" they run race octane fuel, this hides the lack of mapping to a certain extent, in other words the engine won't melt down during the course of a handful of runs up the dragstrip through too much det.
C: Put any of these cars on a track day and I would almost guarantee it will meltdown. The thermal loads and the stress that are accomodated over 11 seconds won't be dissipated over several laps.
D: Their road miles are conducted at a sedate pace, their idea of a thrash is another drag race, albeit from the traffic lights this time.
E: (IMO) Most of the Yanks claims are bull :innocent:
Bear in mind a decent 2 litre N/A race engine, say a 310 BHP one, will cost 18 to 20K UK pounds, without the management. A genuine 700 BHP Skyline engine and engine ancillaries will cost upwards of 30K UK. When you double or even near triple the power output of a production engine you either spend the dough to make it have half a chance of living, or you have a grenade with a loose pin (IMO)
Originally posted by Nathan
OK...........
Sure, you can expand on what you have rather than going for it all at once; most people do.
Nathan
TDI PLC
Ok, so if I decide to go the long drawn out route and buy certain bits at a time to ease the pain. Whats the best route, priority being to add power but maintain drivability. i definatley do not want to worry about things going wrong all the time and as the cars been done properly so far i don't see the point in messing it up.
Should i go:
Fuel pump
followed later by: Injectors and rail
then: EVC (can't i use my existing one)
finally: turbo.
This order is probably completely wrong. But by doing it bit by bit would i see any noticable benefits or not till the end when the turbo gets put on.
I hate being dumb about this stuff.
Oh yeah and my N/S/R wheel bearing has just gone. Am I ever going to get to spend money on modifications rather than repairs, servicing and tyres.
:eek: GULP - There's alot of £££££'s flying about round here, I never knew this stuff was so expensive.
Still I dont know anything about this sort of thing, and one day, so in the meantinme, top thread, very interesting reading, and I usually get bored with the very indeth technical stuff.:thumbs:
Originally posted by ad500
Should i go:
Fuel pump
followed later by: Injectors and rail
then: EVC (can't i use my existing one)
finally: turbo.
This order is probably completely wrong. But by doing it bit by bit would i see any noticable benefits or not till the end when the turbo gets put on.
An EVC is worth having on a turbo car at any spec so thats pretty much essential IMO.
The problem with the rest of it is that you don't really need it UNTIL the big turbo goes on. You can get a fairly good gain (and peace of mind) from fitting bigger injectors with a hybrid setup but if you're looking to go big single or twin then you won't be thinking about hybrids anyway.
Likewise the clutch. A multiplate will be WAY over the top for a car on stock turbos.
Unfortunately, you need to look at a big single/twin upgrade as a package, only adding extra things as you go like possibly gauges, water injection, more sophisticated management etc etc....
My advice is, as always, keep your money in you pocket and appreciate the car for what it is until you can do a big chunk in one hit. Your car will thank you for it :)
Oh, I would reccomend an uprated fuel pump on ANY Mk4 running higher than stock boost. Japs especially.
Cheers,
Nathan
TDI PLC
PS- if spending your budget on servicing and tyres is preventing you from carrying out mods then maybe you don't need to be fitting big singles and getting through tyres at 3 times the rate.....;)
I have a brand new HKS fuel rail BTW if someone wants to make me an offer.
MONKEYmark
05-02-03, 10:38
if you have no electronics at all would you be better off going straight to an aem ecu rather than mess about with millions of small boxes and piggy back electronics.
doing a turbo conversion over here seems to expensive with the dreaded vat.
seen a place in japan that has loads of skylines and supras lots with bodykits and big turbo conversions. t78 t88 gt twins from as little as 9k and they look mint. there was a skyline gts with an rb26 engine and big t88 pushing out 800bhp.
dont know how much work they would take to get sva done.
if you bought a track car like the project x boys. and you wanted to use for track only and not register it.would it still need a sva test doing?
there seems to be loads of big power cars for sale but they are a lot stricter with there version of the mot.
you can get a budget turbo kit in america with all the bits you need for $2500 = £1500 its based on a t61 turbo and puts out some ok numbers. it dont seem worth it going for hybrids when you have a kit like that, dont a set of hybrids cost about £1500 then you have to get them set up too.
still this thread is intresting to read and makes you think twice about spending all that money when its only going to be good for 10 or 11 second car. when a tuned stock car will get you in the 12`s
have fun
but what do i know.
I suppose the last alternative would be to hang on until a single comes up for sale and trade mine in.
Just did a 2 minute search and came up with this.
http://www.japanese-car-imports.co.uk/current_range-toyota-page7.html
I guess at this price however you would expect the car to be skimped on a bit. Seems like most of the internals that weve talked about as being required to prevent the car being unreliable arnt there. Or they are but you would never know due to no history or history in japanese. Wonder what the 3 year warrenty covers???
Now if i could find all the bits over time from people who do not need them that would save loads.
Terry, how much would that feul rail go for.
You would need much more info on that car.
PM me about the fuel rail.
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