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Ok,
Just hooked up my new 71 GTS.. all working fine for 10 minutes on idle as I warmed her up after 2 months sleep.
Now I have a problem with coolant or my oil got a lot of condensation in it while I was gone!
After a 10 minute drive nothing too spirited I noticed a lot of steam and oil comming from the exhaust.. The car is over filled so Im going to drain her a bit... and Im pretty sure that will solve the exhaust problem...
More concerning is the ammount of steam rising from the rocker cover breather and when I remove the Oil filling cap..!
Im praying that it is just condensation but I have a feeling that the water cooling section is compromised inside and is making its way back to the oil return....
Ok,
Just hooked up my new 71 GTS.. all working fine for 10 minutes on idle as I warmed her up after 2 months sleep.
Now I have a problem with coolant or my oil got a lot of condensation in it while I was gone!
After a 10 minute drive nothing too spirited I noticed a lot of steam and oil comming from the exhaust.. The car is over filled so Im going to drain her a bit... and Im pretty sure that will solve the exhaust problem...
More concerning is the ammount of steam rising from the rocker cover breather and when I remove the Oil filling cap..!
Im praying that it is just condensation but I have a feeling that the water cooling section is compromised inside and is making its way back to the oil return....
You have deffo plumbed the oil and water into the right holes on the turbo?
Yep...
I have 2X -6 water lines going in the water section...
2X -6 AN fittings that were supplied only fit in to Two parts of the turbo.
The oil feed and oil return had the typical small oil feed hole at the top and the large return at the bottom that required the large -10 oil return line and the plate
Im 99% sure its all hooked up right...
Im about to mate both -6 water lines together and see if it runs with out the water cooling section and if that solves the steaming problem....
I have a sneaky suspicion it will :who: I HOPE
:eek: Hope it's nothing too major!
Terrible GUT FEELING that the new turbo has a compromised water jacket :cry:
I wonder how quickly SP can get me a new cartrige ! :shrug:
supradibbs
11-01-06, 17:56
oh bugger dude hope it aint serious
Here are some photos of the way its hooked up...
The car was running perfectly after the turbo blew... I had 0 issues with steam or water...
The ONLY thing that has been changed is the turbo which is now oil and water cooled... The only logical thing I can think of is that the water jacket has some how cracked or has a hole through to the oil feed and is mixing the coolant with the oil...
:thumbdown
Feck.. I need to get this sprted out ASAP.
GUT feeling is that it is the turbo as I KNOW everyting was fine after the turbo blew I drove home 10 miles with the blown turbo...
All that happaned to the turbo was that the shaft bent and the compressor wheel cought the housing and would not spin apart from that the car ran fine...
Like an NA :taped:
One further thought...
One of the sensors on the rad elbow is broken.. It broke when it was being polished, I REALLY doubt its this sensor that is causing all the problems but Its the only think I KNOW is broken.
Its the small one with one wire comming out of it? :drown:
Thats shit news my friend. I hope you get it sorted quickly. :(
One further thought...
One of the sensors on the rad elbow is broken.. It broke when it was being polished, I REALLY doubt its this sensor that is causing all the problems but Its the only think I KNOW is broken.
Its the small one with one wire comming out of it? :drown:
The single wire one does your temp gauge, was it working ?
:shrug:
What have Sound Performance said about the turbo?
Gutted mate, know how you feel!
you could pressurise the water system,if you have a coolant system tester(pump),disconnect the oil lines at the turbo and see if water is coming out of the oil holes (ie knackered turbo),oil pressure is usually above water pressure except of course when the engine has just been shut down.worth a try and fairly easy to do,hth
you could pressurise the water system,if you have a coolant system tester(pump),disconnect the oil lines at the turbo and see if water is coming out of the oil holes (ie knackered turbo),oil pressure is usually above water pressure except of course when the engine has just been shut down.worth a try and fairly easy to do,hth
What is the best way to do this as I feel its needed...Does anyone know someone with a coolant system tester?
An alternative method which I know would cost more but have the same effect it to just join the water feed and return together and put new oil in the car and run her for 15 minutes with out any water cooling...
If this solved the problem it would indicate 100% that is was the turbo..
If its easier to presurise the water system how would I go about doing it?
:shrug:
What have Sound Performance said about the turbo?
So far what I spoke to you about is the ONLY sane explanation I can come to as the engine was running perfectly when I bent the shaft on my old turbo... I cant see how all or a sudden I blew my head gasket or fried my rings...
Im going to investigate and hopefully come up with some answers tomorrow or friday..
If it is the water cooling section of the new turbo that is mixing with the oil inside the cartrige Im going to try and get a new cartrige ASAP from garret 24 hour FedEx :faint:
Dragonball
12-01-06, 09:00
Sorry to hear that Chris - give me a shout if I can help
...Im going to investigate and hopefully come up with some answers tomorrow or friday..
Do a leakdown, it will eliminate most factors
Just changed out the oil and the filter for the coolant line test on the turbo...
There was BARELY any water in the oil which is GOOD news...!
Time to run it without Water cooling and then again with water cooling on the turbo to see if we have sourced the problem!
I hope its what I think it is.. Although a Head Gasket change would probably be done quicker.. If money was no object... SIGH :giveup:
:rolleyes:
Problem diagnosed and its being fixed now....
After 2 days labour the new turbo was at fault. As soon as pressure was introduced to the water line and the oil lines they were mixing inside the turbo...
Diagnosis after high pressure air testing the turbo and visual examination at the turbo shop there is a BIG crack in the casting that has caused this whole problem....
All I can say is (WHAT A F**ING PAIN IN THE ARSE) I need to special order a whole new centre cartrige and get it all fitted up ASAP.
Good news to report is that the engine had a full examination while the cylinder head was off the pistons are PERFECT.. not 1 sign of detonation :eyebrows:
Im going to need to fit a new head gasket and Ive also been advised that because my engine is SO healthy I should not worry at all about running 1.4 bar every day :yu:
Happy and pissed off in the same thread! Fekin cars! :rolleyes:
Alls well that should ends well..
What a PITA dude. Make the tubby manufacturer take the fall for it.:stickpoke
That is good news ...Hope it works out. What was the premise for taking the head off?
letmeshowyou
20-01-06, 19:03
:yeahthat:
terribleturner
20-01-06, 19:03
Sort of ying and yang with the good news bad news chris. Glad it's on it's way to being sorted :clap:
Head was removed to clean out the engine 100%....
Also because they just did not beleive it was the turbo.. People really need to start listening to me :rtfm:
Head was removed to clean out the engine 100%....
Also because they just did not beleive it was the turbo.. People really need to start listening to me :rtfm:
Crikey i did not mean for you to get cranky ..i was only asking . If the turbo was checked first and the problem was found then i can see no reason for the head to come of even if imulsifation was found . So with water mixing with the oil and the head off they can tell if the bottom end bearings are fine also?
There other ways to test the engine for condition and clean out.
I'm just glad you have found the problem and that it wasnt so serious ,,,next time i will just shut up and wont ask. Jeez
Crikey i did not mean for you to get cranky ..i was only asking . If the turbo was checked first and the problem was found then i can see no reason for the head to come of even if imulsifation was found . So with water mixing with the oil and the head off they can tell if the bottom end bearings are fine also?
There other ways to test the engine for condition and clean out.
I'm just glad you have found the problem and that i wasnt so serious ,,,next time i will just shut up and wont ask. Jeez
:mobile: Ha.. Friday afternoon still in the office will do that to you..
My Bad buddy..
I have a sneeky feeling that NO ONE beleived me when I said it was the turbo.. Thats probably why the head is off... Anyway Im going to have a bit of a dig at them for taking it off..
I DID TELL THEM WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE CAR :sos:
:mobile: Ha.. Friday afternoon still in the office will do that to you..
My Bad buddy..
I have a sneeky feeling that NO ONE beleived me when I said it was the turbo.. Thats probably why the head is off... Anyway Im going to have a bit of a dig at them for taking it off..
I DID TELL THEM WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE CAR :sos:
I dont think no one did not believe you , i think it's more of a case of that type of failure is really really rare and people were questioning it. That would have to be a manufacture problem not a running failure , hence the questioning wich you can see for new parts supplied having a bit of hadrship in believing it.
And that was my only concern , that for the life of me i cant see why the head has come off ...engine running fine before, turbo ( if checked 1st) was found to be the problem, OK some mixture of fluids , nothing a good flush would not solve so lets take the head off. Surely they could have done a coolant leak test then a system comp test ,then leakdown test before going to them extremes to check the engine. And they still cant tell that the bottom end is fine without pulling it. Saying all this the engine ran fine before , she had not run for a period with this problem so you can see why im dazed at this reverese logic money spinner. If they just took the head off then checked the turbo afterwards i would be having a bit of a moan.
Just there seems to be a running penchant for people having their engines pulled apart lately after turbo failure.
Just my 2p :giveup: :respekt: Just glad it being sorted
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