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terribleturner
08-11-05, 00:26
Well seeing as the weather means no track days or drag strip fun, would anybody be interested in a Rolling Road Day down at Surrey?? I spoke to Charlie and he has a free weekend at the beginning of December. Think we'll need about 10 people to make it worth while and it'll be around the £40 mark, but i'll need to finalise that with him. So come on, put your names down and i need to know rather soonish.
Edited to say the date will be Sunday 4th December :D
*****Price = 4 or more cars means it'll be £35 each.
11:00 meet at....
Surrey Rolling Road Ltd,
Unit F, 4 Doman Road,
Yorktown Industrial Estate,
Camberley,
Surrey,
GU15 3DF
Sounds good James, count me in!
It's been 10k miles since the last dyno so would like to see how the ol' girl is doing! Not made any mods since the last one tho...
terribleturner
08-11-05, 00:33
Good job Darryl, he's got a bigger fan in there too now giving much better ventilation :clap:
I want to do another run as well from them,
need an oil change and I still have the 24s plugs on my desk from you james :P
China
Suprasteve
08-11-05, 22:52
i'll be up for some of that, let me know what date i'll probablly need to book a day off work.
Can they do auto tiptronics?
Can they do auto tiptronics?
Sheena's car was dyno'd there a couple of times so there shouldn't be a problem.
terribleturner
08-11-05, 23:26
I'm pretty sure they can do Auto Tiptronics, but i'll find out for you.
I think the date will probably be Sunday 4th December. We could do the Saturday but people usually have plans for shopping on Saturdays.
Benson, get those plugs on mate :D
so....
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Need a few more to make it worth their while.
im not going to put my name down yet but im interested, it just depends on how much i get done in the next few weeks. ive got loads of mods sat in boxes in the garage that i havent got round to fitting yet:(
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7.
8.
9.
10.
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7.imi (depending on the date in december)
8.
9.
10.
Is it just a power run or do they fiddle a bit?:whistle:
I am not going unless they can bump up my BHP figures by 100hp, otherwise it is off to Thor for me. :p
Just kiddin. :limp:
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi (depending on the date in december)
8. Gamer
9.
10.
hmmmm tempted to bring my FTO along, but I'm not sure how I feel about the shame of having less than 200 bhp..........can't decide......
What do you guys think?
geoffvalenti
09-11-05, 09:23
hmmmm tempted to bring my FTO along, but I'm not sure how I feel about the shame of having less than 200 bhp..........can't decide......
What do you guys think?
What, about the shame of having less than 200 bhp, or whether to run your car? ;)
It'll all end in tears, you mark my words :D
Personally, I've never seen the fascination of sticking a car on a dyno for a power run, with no purpose other than to get a, fairly meaningless, bhp figure.
It invariably ends in dissapointment, either that the figure given is way less than what you think it should be, (or have bragged to your mates in the pub :) )or it shows up an obscure fault, that costs a fortune to fix, that you were blissfully unaware of, because up until then you thought the car was running great :(
If you're going to get a power run, then do some mods and take the car back to the same RR and see what difference you've made, then its a great way of checking that you're modding in the right direction. Obviously for ECU mapping and the like, its mandatory.
Personally, Sabrina, I'd rather put the £40 or so towards something tangible for the car, rather than pay someone to rev the life out of my newly fitted engine :taped:
Anyone mind if an MR2 tags along ? It's just getting a new ECU, downpipe, WI and Walbro but hopefully it'll be ready in time !
:haha: What, about the shame of having less than 200 bhp, or whether to run your car?
Both!! :OK:
It'll all end in tears, you mark my words
Personally, I've never seen the fascination of sticking a car on a dyno for a power run, with no purpose other than to get a, fairly meaningless, bhp figure.
It invariably ends in dissapointment, either that the figure given is way less than what you think it should be, (or have bragged to your mates in the pub )or it shows up an obscure fault, that costs a fortune to fix, that you were blissfully unaware of, because up until then you thought the car was running great
Personally, Sabrina, I'd rather put the £40 or so towards something tangible for the car, rather than pay someone to rev the life out of my newly fitted engine
I am just curious about it is all, for my own personal use. GPX is supposed to be 200bhp standard, but I don't think it is. Hence why I'm not sure. :shrug: :tumble:. :badidea:
Everything you have said has crossed my mind as well. But as I do mods to my car, given my car is mostly standard now, it would also be nice to have a base figure to begin from. IE, I bought the car and it was running at 136bhp :haha: and now I have done this this and this to it, its now running at 176 bhp. :p. Instead off, its meant to have 200bhp, and now I have induction, stainless exhaust, decat and nitrous, and then put it on the rollers for it to only run at 176 for example. I wouldn't know what the real power gain was.
Does any of that make sense?
Edited:
If you're going to get a power run, then do some mods and take the car back to the same RR and see what difference you've made, then its a great way of checking that you're modding in the right direction. Obviously for ECU mapping and the like, its mandatory.
Just as you said here [now I re read it] :music:
Anyone mind if an MR2 tags along ? It's just getting a new ECU, downpipe, WI and Walbro but hopefully it'll be ready in time !
The more the merrier.............:yes:
If you're going to get a power run, then do some mods and take the car back to the same RR and see what difference you've made, then its a great way of checking that you're modding in the right direction. Obviously for ECU mapping and the like, its mandatory.
thats why I am going again, did a dyno there at the last group dyno meet. Last time the car was standard and now it got a bit of BPU so would be nice to see whats the diff in numbers
My friend MR2 was there last time and I have to say MR2 is not easy to dyno due to funny engine position and air intake.
China
Dragonball
09-11-05, 10:21
Personally, I've never seen the fascination of sticking a car on a dyno for a power run, with no purpose other than to get a, fairly meaningless, bhp figure.
Agreed - however using one to ensure that the fuelling etc is correct and that you have both turbos working (this has happened on a couple of the cars at SRR!) is a very good idea
However - this does put a strain on the engine so make sure you are fully oiled etc
:Pling:
geoffvalenti
09-11-05, 10:22
But as I do mods to my car, given my car is mostly standard now, it would also be nice to have a base figure to begin from. IE, I bought the car and it was running at 136bhp :haha: and now I have done this this and this to it, its now running at 176 bhp. :p.
If you intend to mod the car, then a base figure is useful to see how much power is gained (or lost :( ) by the mods. Bear in mind though, that figure is only of any use on the same rolling road, and is not written in stone, as things like temperature, operator and basic RR settings will distort the figures given, from one week/month/year to the next.
Just don't get too hung up on the actual figures. If you think you'd be mortified if you only got, say, 150 bhp, then its probably best not to run. If however you view it as just a number for comparison purposes, then it probably can't do any harm.
The main thing is to be truthful with yourself Sabrina. For some people, getting dissapointing figures can spoil a perfectly good car. They were quite happy believing it had 195 bhp, but the reality of 147bhp upsets them, and either results in them spending a fortune modding it up to the "proper" bhp or never quite feeling as happy with it as they were before the RR.
Silly, I know, it's the same car, but just not quite as good, now you know its not the tyre frying monster you once believed it was.
Ridiculously, maybe if they'd have taken it to a different RR, they'd have got 200 bhp and be over the moon, saying things like "I always thought this car was a bit quicker than the other std ones :D "
If you just think of it as a good opportunity for a meet with other owners, with the added bonus of a RR run, whatever the outcome, then you'll probably have fun.
all the good things are happening on my birthday .... im lost for choice....
1. mates wedding
2. sky diving with work people
3. rolling road day with you good folk
i won't be here im migrating south for the winter curtisy of the raf
If you intend to mod the car, then a base figure is useful to see how much power is gained (or lost :( ) by the mods. Bear in mind though, that figure is only of any use on the same rolling road, and is not written in stone, as things like temperature, operator and basic RR settings will distort the figures given, from one week/month/year to the next.
Just don't get too hung up on the actual figures. If you think you'd be mortified if you only got, say, 150 bhp, then its probably best not to run. If however you view it as just a number for comparison purposes, then it probably can't do any harm.
The main thing is to be truthful with yourself Sabrina. For some people, getting dissapointing figures can spoil a perfectly good car. They were quite happy believing it had 195 bhp, but the reality of 147bhp upsets them, and either results in them spending a fortune modding it up to the "proper" bhp or never quite feeling as happy with it as they were before the RR.
Silly, I know, it's the same car, but just not quite as good, now you know its not the tyre frying monster you once believed it was.
Ridiculously, maybe if they'd have taken it to a different RR, they'd have got 200 bhp and be over the moon, saying things like "I always thought this car was a bit quicker than the other std ones :D "
If you just think of it as a good opportunity for a meet with other owners, with the added bonus of a RR run, whatever the outcome, then you'll probably have fun.
:clap: Well said. I certainly do not believe the power figures reported on a standard FTO. I've read other RR reports from FTO meets and most seemed to be around the 176bhp [manual cars anyway]. Mines a Tip so its definately going to be lower. I suspect around 136 as its almost standard[ha ha ha ha - possibly lower] So I'm not likely to be setting myself up for a dissappointment.
For the social side of it, I'm an excellent passenger in terribleturners' car the majority of the time.
:respekt:
all the good things are happening on my birthday .... im lost for choice....
1. mates wedding
2. sky diving with work people
3. rolling road day with you good folk
I vote for number 3.............:D
i won't be here im migrating south for the winter curtisy of the raf
Could you not migrate north for the day?
all the good things are happening on my birthday .... im lost for choice....
1. mates wedding
2. sky diving with work people
3. rolling road day with you good folk
No 2 is it really a good thing? I hope no one hate you in your office :tomato:
China
I vote for number 3.............:D
claudia may not be around till then :cry:
claudia may not be around till then :cry:
Well is she is, then it will be a nice day. :clap:
Of topic.....
Hows the business plan coming along?
Could you not migrate north for the day?
could do but my boss wont be so happy
Well is she is, then it will be a nice day. :clap:
Of topic.....
Hows the business plan coming along?
really well, i have three locations in mind, and yes, one is in wycombe :D .... thing is, i'm really strapped for cash now (buying 2nd house) so need to sell claudia to finance my plans :( :violin: 2006 will deffo be a year of change
really well, i have three locations in mind, and yes, one is in wycombe :D .... thing is, i'm really strapped for cash now (buying 2nd house) so need to sell claudia to finance my plans :( :violin: 2006 will deffo be a year of change
That all sounds very positive :clap: . Claudia will of course understand.
Back on topic, I might be able to come. Always wanted to base-line my (SZ) super-beast. Just waiting for the trouble and strife to OK it - who knows she may even bring her new scooby to get humbled!
terribleturner
09-11-05, 15:10
Back on topic
Well said Ark.
Other cars are welcome, just so as we can get the numbers together.
All let them know then that we'll have the day :clap:
tempted.. never had it dynoed and I have owned it *ahem* 3 years now.....
Dash Rendar
09-11-05, 20:29
I would be up for it, but only if I finally get the FMIC that I swapped with Gav for a set of alloy wheels. I've only been waiting 5 months... :p
or it shows up an obscure fault, that costs a fortune to fix, that you were blissfully unaware of, because up until then you thought the car was running great :(
If there is a fault then I'd like to know about it...and fix it if it needs fixing...
Always makes sense to go back to the same dyno after making mods to the car. Hence this will be my third time to the same dyno.
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi (depending on the date in december)
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10.
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi (depending on the date in december)
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
Oooh! Do they have room for another (I only just saw this thread :whistle: ) It's about time I had another go on their dyno, but I'm still running very rich I think :eek:
Also ... does anyone know if they can do Skylines yet? My Brother really wants to get his R32 GTR on the rollers!
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi (depending on the date in december)
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
Cheers, J :thumbs:
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
Hopefully I will have my new RAD and HID's fitted in time.
terribleturner
11-11-05, 16:28
Good stuff. I'll check about the Skyline.
terribleturner
11-11-05, 18:33
OK, Auto Tiptronic is no problem at all.
Skylines can be catered for.
And if we have more than 4 cars then it'll be £35 for each car on the rollers.
Oh and the days booked now, so don't forget. :D
Awesome ... In that case I will pencil my Brother in so you can get an idea of numbers: -
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GTR
Cheers, J :D
Suprasteve
11-11-05, 19:04
OK, Auto Tiptronic is no problem at all.
Skylines can be catered for.
And if we have more than 4 cars then it'll be £35 for each car on the rollers.
Oh and the days booked now, so don't forget. :D
do we pay on the day or upfront (to ensure the numbers turn up) ?
terribleturner
11-11-05, 19:05
On the day Steve.
IF we commit by entering our names on the list then that should be sufficient. Isnt that what we did last time..?
Mind you, if we do have drop-outs then as long as they arent last minute ones then why should there be a problem.
terribleturner
11-11-05, 19:11
Well if there's less than 4 people then it'll go up to £40 so not a massive difference. Plus it's a nice social gathering if it doesn't rain :D
I would be up for it, but only if I finally get the FMIC that I swapped with Gav for a set of alloy wheels. I've only been waiting 5 months... :p
Haven't you received it yet? :eek:
The offer for fitting is still on btw.
Oh and the days booked now, so don't forget. :D
Nice one James, Cheers for sorting this out!
40 quid for a power run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!are you's lot mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shrug:
( -1. Rush) :shrug: sorry, i had to put my name down, i feel so left out.:cry:
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GT
40 quid for a power run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!are you's lot mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shrug:
I'm sure we'll all be interested if you know of a better/cheaper one in the Thames Valley area ;) :eyebrows:
£35 seems to be the going rate round here!
terribleturner
12-11-05, 01:11
To add to what Darryl said, they are pretty good with their figures too. That's unless you like to go to places were they have no idea what they are doing or don't mind inflating your figures :D
Rush, When are you back??
Just been told my contract is going to be extended for another year,:thumbdown, so it looks like another year away from my supe :cry: now
im in two minds now wether to sell the TT or not, the N/A is definatly going tho. But at least i'll be back for the xmas break. :ecstatic:
sorry to hijack the thread!
Thanks for this James - it's in the diary. :)
Could you post up directions or a postcode so I can find the place?
Cheers,
Ken
Ok if I just come and meet / watch ?
terribleturner
12-11-05, 17:03
Ewen come along. It's always nice to meet up for a chat. You never know, you may be tempted to go on yourself after you've watched a couple. :D
OK We'll aim to get there for 11am if that's cool. Not sure if anyone wants to meet for convoys or anything??
the address is.....
Surrey Rolling Road Ltd,
Unit F, 4 Doman Road,
Yorktown Industrial Estate,
Camberley,
Surrey,
GU15 3DF
Map (http://www.surreyrollingroad.co.uk/map.htm)
Hello people,
Only just seen this. Car is a fairly stock J-Spec so would like to know what power it is and how its runnign before i get to work on it. So if its ok with you all, here's another name.
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GT
13. Stonkin (oh sh1t, just realised what number i am, anyone care to swap?!)
Christian :)
Christian
Did anyone tell you its bad luck to be supersticious :D
well thats it, my cars gona go bang then! :)
Maybe i should have joined up tomorrow and let someone else go first
terribleturner
14-11-05, 19:20
Well Christian i may not run mine so techincally your number 12. :D
Suprasteve
14-11-05, 20:30
Well Christian i may not run mine so techincally your number 12. :D
why not ? you're orgainising it..
terribleturner
14-11-05, 20:46
I probably will as i am very weak willed when it comes to my car, but i only organised it as it seemed there were a few people who wanted to have a go.
terribleturner
18-11-05, 02:21
:bump:
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. Ivan (if they can accomdate)
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GT
13. Stonkin (oh sh1t, just realised what number i am, anyone care to swap?!)
14. IanK
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5.
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GT
13. Stonkin (oh sh1t, just realised what number i am, anyone care to swap?!)
14. IanK
I'm not going to be able to make this one I'm afraid. :(
I left the numbers as is, so that Stonkin could still be No 13. :D
Have fun people.
whitesupratt
22-11-05, 23:41
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5.
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GT
13. Stonkin (oh sh1t, just realised what number i am, anyone care to swap?!)
14. IanK
15.whitesupratt
I've posted a calender entry for the meet so that it appears on the main page
terribleturner
23-11-05, 03:20
Good thinking Darryl. We have been talking about seeing if we're allowed a bbq to keep us warm on the day.
When do you need confirmation by James?
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5.
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GT
13. Stonkin (oh sh1t, just realised what number i am, anyone care to swap?!)
14. IanK
15.whitesupratt
16. Ark
I got a pass from the missus, so we'll be there.
terribleturner
23-11-05, 22:11
When do you need confirmation by James?
I guess as long as i know roughl how many people are going a day or 2 before would be good. Otherewise just make sure you get there about 11:30 on the day so as we know would be good.
What's the address and postcode?
Thanks,
Ro
terribleturner
28-11-05, 01:46
That's uncanny Ro, was just about to bump this up in a minute.
Surrey Rolling Road Ltd,
Unit F, 4 Doman Road,
Yorktown Industrial Estate,
Camberley,
Surrey,
GU15 3DF
Buggery!!
Due to my recent 'encounter' with the Audi TT driver, I am going to have to pull out of this one :giveup: . There is almost certainly no chance that I will have the Supra back on the road by then, but I should still be there with my Brother in his Skyline :p :
It also solves Stonkin's little problem ;)
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5.
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. JamesArup - AWOL
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GTR
13. Stonkin (oh sh1t, just realised what number i am, anyone care to swap?!)
14. IanK
15.whitesupratt
16. Ark
What happend with the TT? :eek:
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. IanK
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. Stonkin
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GTR
13. whitesupratt
14. Ark
15.
16.
What happend with the TT? :eek:
Crashed (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=52586) :thumbdown :thumbdown
whitesupratt
28-11-05, 20:27
ah come on people, im no. 13 and iv already smashed mine up! this isnt looking good!
whitesupratt
28-11-05, 21:00
My best mate has a blue Toyota starlet, about 300hp. was in Banzai about 3 months ago. Can he bring that?
terribleturner
29-11-05, 01:25
Yeah can't see why not.
whitesupratt
29-11-05, 01:39
We don't want to get people backs up, so wana make sure its cool!
Sorry to hear about that James!! No, really i am! :)
Not long now people! Getting the rest of my de-cat and plugs fitted tomorrow morning.
So! who's gona have the most powerful car then?
So! who's gona have the most powerful car then?
My money's on Terry!
My money's on Terry!
oh I wish, my turbo is a baby compared to Gamers.
terribleturner
02-12-05, 22:27
So some on guys, last chance to say yea, nah or just that your gay :p
Would you belive i may have my cats back in on Sunday :p
im going to pop up and say hello. what time are you there till?
whitesupratt
03-12-05, 20:18
I dont think im going to be putting mine on the rollers now, havnt managed to get any of the bits i wanted done, as I got my car back much later in the week than i expected. Might pop up tho!
whitesupratt
03-12-05, 20:19
1. terribleturner
2. Homer
3. China
4. Suprasteve
5. IanK
6. supRo
7. imi
8. Gamer
9. Darren
10. Terry ( provisional)
11. Stonkin
12. OliverArup - Skyline R32 GTR
13. Ark
14.
15.
16.
Very sorry guys but I am going to have to miss this one... Would have been my third year in a row too :(
My car is having problems starting (as in not at all) and I believe it is the ignitor. I have a new one coming and I was hoping that it would arrive today but it has not so unfortunately I will have to miss this session....
Have a great time and take loads of pics/videos.
terribleturner
03-12-05, 21:31
im going to pop up and say hello. what time are you there till?
I reckon we'll be disappearing about 3/4ish. But depends on the turn out and how cold it is :D
Plus i've gotta go and get at least a couple of hours sleep before my nightshift at 8pm tomorrow night. :cry:
oh shite, wasn't the day suppose to be 16 Dec??
I still haven't put the ik24 plugs in my car......is it safe to do the RR with my stock plugs?
China
terribleturner
04-12-05, 01:12
Should be fine, Specially with the colder weather. But if you like we could drop them in while your down there. Only takes 1/2 hour at most. Or you could wake up early and do it.
IK24's are only really needed if you're single/hybrid. IK22 or their equivalent will be fine for BPU.
Bring them down, might be able to swap them while you're there.
EDIT: Beaten to it!
cheers for the offer and I have to say I don't usually do DIY stuff if I don't have the tools or balls for it :)
I will be there tomorrow and see anyone can drop it in for me :)
cheers homer/james
terribleturner
04-12-05, 01:31
Have tea and mince pies sat next to me which we can drink and munch while you get all dirty :D
Thanks to TerribleTurner for arranging today - great day out.
Glad I ran first - set the bar nice and high (153 rwhp) to give everyone else something to aim for.:rolleyes:
Terry's car - what a noise!!! Highlight of the day!
Oh yeah, and Terry, you disappeared early - Someone mentioned later that you wanted to take a look at the Carbing braces I'd fitted.
it was nice to meet a few new faces today although terry fooked off about 5 mins after i arrived. would have liked to have met you and had a chat.
Well I had a damn good day. :clap:
A little bit chilly towards the end, but all in all very good :respekt:
Thanks to James for organising another fab day. :D Cheers to Charlie at SRR for being a delightful host.
Good to see some new faces as well, and some regular ones.
So unexpected figures from some members to, raising a few questions..... :Popcorn:
[Imi...................I knew it - it looks nothing like a frog. :p]
Great day out.....good company....if not a bit chilly (the weather that is :D)
To all that put their cars on the rollers....can you post your dyno plots in this thread and your and charlies comments.
regards
Thanks again James for organising the meet, had a great day :)
Terry's car was awesome, gotta love the sound of a single going flat out! And Leett, your single install looks very tidy, fair play for doing all that work yourself.
I didn't get the result I was expecting, somehow the car is massively overfueling and was down 50rwhp since the last time it was there (AFR is now 10.4 on boost!). Looks like the car will be going to Phoenix soon for diagnosis!
Terry's car was awesome, gotta love the sound of a single going flat out! And Leett, your single install looks very tidy, fair play for doing all that work yourself.
thanks mate, it makes it all worthwhile doing things myself with comments like that
Anyone gonna post up any numbers then? :)
darren j adams
04-12-05, 20:41
numbers???
Come on!!!
D.
terribleturner
04-12-05, 21:31
Was a good day, very good turn out, good job everyone. :clap:
2 hours sleep and i'm back to work :(
As for figures 330.6hp @the wheel which works out to about 429 at the fly. Intresting because i've dyno'd it 3 times now in the same state. The first was 316.1 and the second 345. The only thing changed come to think of it is the oil and new plugs from the 2nd run. Gonna be searching the engine for a boost leak tomorrow i think.
darren j adams
04-12-05, 21:34
330 is still good ,over 400 crank i know lots of people that would kill for that bhp,cossie friends of mine...
D.
330 is still good ,over 400 crank i know lots of people that would kill for that bhp,cossie friends of mine...
D.
wheres your numbers? thor having trouble?
darren j adams
04-12-05, 21:39
Yes,i have a boost controller problem and a misfire at 6300...
It ran 380bhp at the hubs on sat at .6 bar ,being a shit to find both problems.
Im driving nod and pete mad i think.
D.
Well, mine only got 318rwhp at 1.05bar. Previous result was 360rwhp at 1.1bar - something's wrong with my baby :cry:
But, I guess some of you want to know Terry's results? I'll let him post them up if he wants to, but needless to say they were rather respectable (And only a couple of bhp out from what he guessed it might be :yes: )
Evening people,
Well i had a great day, thanks for organising it James! Couldnt get Suzanne to stay for all of it but i did get a happy meal from her half way through so i cant complain! :)
My car had just been decatted on Saturday so was keen to see how things were.
After running the car he called me over and asked how long i'd had it and if i was happy with it or not, but, he had a look on his face that worried me and asked me to come look at the pc screen. Slowly my heart began to sink to my feet, expecting worrying comments from him.
He said it was an extremely healthy car running very well (piss taking sod was winding me up :) ). It made 320.2 rwhp and about 303 FtLb of torque. He said the fueling was spot on with an AFR of 11.5 at 6800 rpm. However, it made this at 0.95 bar of boost.
Now, the car is a j-spec with an apexi induction kit, 3" front decat, 3" centre decat, backbox and IK24 plugs. I also had a 1.2 bar restrictor ring fitted on saturday. I've got a Blitz turbo timer/boost gauge in the car and this was peaking at 1.23 before i had the front decat/ring fitted. I reset the peak boost when the front decat/ring was done and its now peaking at 1.14. So i guess the gauge is obviously over reading a little as well compared to the equipment used on the rolling road.
So, in my eyes, there should be more boost there available and safely (going by his 0.95 bar), but the ring seems to be limiting it a bit too much. Would it be worth me making the hole wider, and if so by how much? Might be worth chatting to Chris W about it.
I'll post up the scanned sheets when i'm at work tomorrow.
Nite
Christian
PS, thanks for trying to look for a FCD Homer, i will check there now i know how. If i break those clips its your fault! :)
thanks mate, it makes it all worthwhile doing things myself with comments like that
I second that......great work on the car bud.... :) and thx for the advice.
I second that......great work on the car bud.... :) and thx for the advice.
no probs imi. good to meet you
darren j adams
04-12-05, 23:33
come on terry!!!!
BHP????
D.
Great day James.
I made 338 rwhp/330 torque @ 1.15 bar, running a bit rich :(
At Thor I got 364 hub hp/367 torque at 1.2bar so I think Thors figure is similar to Surrey rolling road? (more loss on wheel dyno??)
I'll post some pics soon.
And er raced a escort cossie and R33 GTR on the way back, see the 'Spirited Driving' section soon!:p
Nice to meet the new and old face, Ark, that was me talking about the Carbing strut braces.....Nice bit of kit Terry! Front one has a brace for the brake servo thingy-ma-jig and the rear one has two extra mounting points in the middle that bolt onto the stock fittings! Much better than all the other ones!!!!!:OK:
Ro
dangerous brain
05-12-05, 00:28
Evening people,
Well i had a great day, thanks for organising it James! Couldnt get Suzanne to stay for all of it but i did get a happy meal from her half way through so i cant complain! :)
My car had just been decatted on Saturday so was keen to see how things were.
After running the car he called me over and asked how long i'd had it and if i was happy with it or not, but, he had a look on his face that worried me and asked me to come look at the pc screen. Slowly my heart began to sink to my feet, expecting worrying comments from him.
He said it was an extremely healthy car running very well (piss taking sod was winding me up :) ). It made 320.2 rwhp and about 303 FtLb of torque. He said the fueling was spot on with an AFR of 11.5 at 6800 rpm. However, it made this at 0.95 bar of boost.
Now, the car is a j-spec with an apexi induction kit, 3" front decat, 3" centre decat, backbox and IK24 plugs. I also had a 1.2 bar restrictor ring fitted on saturday. I've got a Blitz turbo timer/boost gauge in the car and this was peaking at 1.23 before i had the front decat/ring fitted. I reset the peak boost when the front decat/ring was done and its now peaking at 1.14. So i guess the gauge is obviously over reading a little as well compared to the equipment used on the rolling road.
So, in my eyes, there should be more boost there available and safely (going by his 0.95 bar), but the ring seems to be limiting it a bit too much. Would it be worth me making the hole wider, and if so by how much? Might be worth chatting to Chris W about it.
I'll post up the scanned sheets when i'm at work tomorrow.
Nite
Christian
PS, thanks for trying to look for a FCD Homer, i will check there now i know how. If i break those clips its your fault! :)
I shouldn't bother upping the boost anymore unless you are on hybrids. My power tails off and EGT's rise after 1.15 bar so holding at 1.15 bar is a good thing.
I made 338 rwhp/330 torque @ 1.15 bar, running a bit rich :(
At Thor I got 364 hub hp/367 torque at 1.2bar so I think Thors figure is similar to Surrey rolling road? (more loss on wheel dyno??)
Ro
Thats not a bad thing, just means it can be a little more efficient thats all. better than running lean!
Nice figures!
Yeah, what did Terry get?
dangerous brain
05-12-05, 00:45
Thor 395.2 Janspeed rolling road 369.5
300 @ rear wheel for me
serve me right for not putting those ik24 in before the RR, got misfire!
will go again hopefully in a couple of months and this time amy be a FMIC :P
terribleturner
05-12-05, 01:12
serve me right for not putting those ik24 in before the RR, got misfire!
That that was a little spooky how we were talking about putting them in today and then Charlie comes out with the plugs may need changing :clap:
I'm sure when they're in the new premises we'll get another day sorted out. Should be March/April so that gives everyone time to complete a few more mods :p
terribleturner
05-12-05, 06:27
Loving the pic with my car in (#3) :clap: Damn she's sexy.
Got pictures and a couple of runs on video but can't use the bloody USB on this computer :(
Guys,
I've got my graphs scanned in as a pdf file but dont know how to put them up. Can anyone help please?
Dangerous Brain - my gauge showed it was peaking at 1.14 (he thought it was over reading) but on his rolling road it only showed it as running at 0.95 and no higher, hence me thinking i should be able to up the boost?
Christian
;)
wastegate run on optimax.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/VVTiSupra/Dynobigger.jpg
The cams seem to be holding it back as we suspected, so that is the next move
Very nice fella! Thats at the wheels right? Not hubs. :cool:
Great curves! :D
Can someone please help me get mine up
'edited to say i'm talking about the graphs!, i've got no other troubles!'
:)
Very nice fella! Thats at the wheels right? Not hubs. :cool:
Great curves! :D
No twas flywheel, just as I suspected:thumbs:
Can someone please help me get mine up
'edited to say i'm talking about the graphs!, i've got no other troubles!'
:)
stick it on www.photobucket.com mate them copy the [IMG] link to here
Right, hope this works:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/Stonkin/4-12-05-torque.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/Stonkin/4-12-05-boost.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/Stonkin/4-12-05-afr.jpg
Christian
Suprasteve
05-12-05, 14:41
hello people,
sorry i had to leave early, went to bed soon as i got in and had to take the day off work - man flu !
anyways thanks james and everyon else i had a great day out (apart from feeling ill) and the misses got to finish her book too.:yawn:
the Jack Osbourne lookalike said apart from the tiny missfire at high rpm i've got a healthy engine. (hopefully corrected with new sparks, curretly got NGK iridiums which i tapped to 0.8)
FWBHP = 392.2
Torque = 395 (approx according to graph)
RWBHP = 327.4
Torque = 330 (approx according to graph)
about 1.23 peak boost
he also said it was running a tad rich at the end too but nothing to worry about.
I'm over the moon with these figures :ecstatic: , is this good for the basic mods i've done;-
blitz nur spec
double decat
now all i need to do is solve my poxy wheel hop problem - hopefully with some polly bushes ? cheers terry
Right, hope this works:
Christian
You've gotta try harder - you can't quite see it from space yet!
Want to say a big thanks to James for organising the event. Nice set up Charlie has there, and good to see some realistic figures being thrown up.
Good to see some friendly faces again :thumbs:. Ark, would love a closer look at that brace some other time.
BTW wouldnt worry if your chart is showing rich, mine is too but my other two sensors/gauges are showing Low 11 afr's so maybe Charlies sensor needs changing
Terry, what do you think of the graphs i posted up? Does the boost seem a little low to you for a bpu car? Just wondering if i should increase the hole size of the restrictor ring, just not sure how much by.
Cheers..
Terry, what do you think of the graphs i posted up? Does the boost seem a little low to you for a bpu car? Just wondering if i should increase the hole size of the restrictor ring, just not sure how much by.
Cheers..
I think it looks fine mate if its wheel figures?? I know some cars were given wheel figures and some flywheel.
The ring is trial and error mate. Try one 1/4" bigger
Yes mate, they are wheel figures. Would be nice to get the boost up a bit, i'm sure that could add about 20hp?
What would be the ideal air/fuel ratios?
I think it looks fine mate if its wheel figures?? I know some cars were given wheel figures and some flywheel.
That'd be the difference between auto and manual then...
Makes me feel better that the gap between yours and mine is that little bit smaller ;)
No twas flywheel, just as I suspected:thumbs:
Hmm thats odd, last place I went with a dyno like this they made the adjustment after, and it was just the wheel reading on the graph, what % did they add on?
not sure bobbeh, but it cant be a wheel figure for mine as the turbo can't physically flow that much ;)
Hehe, just lay back and enjoy it :D
Hehe, just lay back and enjoy it :D
LOL, wrong mentality ;)
Guesses on what a set of 264's will add then guys?
Can someone post a BPU manual BHP/Torque dyno from yesterday so i can compare. Ro?
Terry, I'll post mine up as soon as I figure out how this scanner works!
Bobbeh, I've got a load of rw and fw figures from SRR. The correction factor is between 14% and 17% (its varied a little each time I've been). This is for a manual.
Suprasteve
05-12-05, 16:05
Can someone post a BPU manual BHP/Torque dyno from yesterday so i can compare. Ro?
heres mine
bpu
manual
Suprasteve
05-12-05, 16:16
not sur why that didn't work properly, try these. trying to work out how to use the gf apple MAC - :drown:
Just curious why my graphs start about 3600rpm and SupraSteve's start from a lot lower? Is it something to do with mine being an auto?
I'm also not seeing any dip in mine between the first and second turbo.
Just curious why my graphs start about 3600rpm and SupraSteve's start from a lot lower? Is it something to do with mine being an auto?
I'm also not seeing any dip in mine between the first and second turbo.
Yeah it's prolly an auto thing - though I thought you could lock the gearbox into 3rd without it kicking down?
It looks like they've added BHP figure estimate to your charts, as well as giving you the RWHP figure, thats cool. When I went to G-Force all I got was the RWHP graph and the guy had to guestimate the loss!
Some nice figures guys :)
Alex, it says on my chart it was done in gear 2, presume this was the same for all the autos?
So not only were the manual's dyno'd in 4th instead of 5th but the auto's were dyno'd in 2nd instead of 3rd.
The results are meaningless unless you do it properly, you have to use the gear closest to 1:1.
It's one of my pet hates - people using the dyno wrong to screw up their figures - you spool slower, but appear to have more power.
LOL calm down Alex. I want a manual graph to compare
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=53399
Yeah Tel - I'm trying to get some time this weekend...same Dyno as Chis.
Alex your are right on the 5th thing, just never gave it any thought yesterday, however looking at the BPU cars results I doubt the overall figures are far out. I assume its down to the ramp rates applied to the dyno.
Should i have kept quiet? :taped:
Yeah I know Tel...but anyway I see it as people wasting money - I don't like others to waste money - if everyone used the right gear I'm sure we'd have less variation :)
Should i have kept quiet? :taped:
Not at all mate, we love in depth techie stuff, always good to debate.
Yeah I know Tel...but anyway I see it as people wasting money - I don't like others to waste money - if everyone used the right gear I'm sure we'd have less variation :)
I am not bud, there are many ways to give inflated figures, not just the gear. My pet hate presently is Dyno figures for cars with turbo's which simply can't flow the air the dyno is suggesting!
I had a discussion with Charlie (RR owner) last time about the gear thing. He was adamant that 4th gear was correct for the Supra, I explained about 5th having pretty much 1:1 ratio but he wouldn't accept it. Maybe one of you guys could tell him? ;)
I had a discussion with Charlie (RR owner) last time about the gear thing. He was adamant that 4th gear was correct for the Supra, I explained about 5th having pretty much 1:1 ratio but he wouldn't accept it. Maybe one of you guys could tell him? ;)
Send him my FAQ... How to Dyno
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=53399
Do you trust Toyota to know anything about the Supra? And if Toyota don't know which garage would? ;)
Thanks to James for organising yet another great meet :thumbs:
Nice to meet and talk to a few new people.
Alex, despite whats been said in previous posts, i can confirm 100% that the autos were run in 3rd gear.
This is why the revs start higher on the auto graphs because any lower, even in manual mode, the box will kick down.
Thanks to James for organising yet another great meet :thumbs:
Nice to meet and talk to a few new people.
Alex, despite whats been said in previous posts, i can confirm 100% that the autos were run in 3rd gear.
This is why the revs start higher on the auto graphs because any lower, even in manual mode, the box will kick down.
Ahh good :)
Has anyone tried service mode? Is that possible? To lock into 3rd completely?
Guess it was just a typo on the graph then
Send him my FAQ... How to Dyno
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=53399
Do you trust Toyota to know anything about the Supra? And if Toyota don't know which garage would? ;)
Huh....I didnt know this...can someone forward this to Charlie and ask for an explaination....surely 1:1 gearing is the way to dyno ANY CAR... :eek:
darren j adams
05-12-05, 20:03
nice number terry,your car must have a nice punch to it.
What boost is the wastegate holding it at..
D.
To add some heat to the debet here
220.2 last year stock car
300.9 this year BPU
some say I had misfire this time, will go again with better spark plugs and better intercooler. May be next year :haha:
China
I want to apologise for not turning up on this one. I did go but on Saturday as due to my total incompetence I thought thats when it was. Not surprisingly I was the only Supra no make that person there as the RR was shut. :badidea: :badidea:
Can someone post a BPU manual BHP/Torque dyno from yesterday so i can compare. Ro?
Here you go mate (one in rwhp, 338.7), the others have flywheel (405.3) All at 1.15 bar
Terry, what do you think of the graphs i posted up? Does the boost seem a little low to you for a bpu car? Just wondering if i should increase the hole size of the restrictor ring, just not sure how much by.
Cheers..
As Terry has said Christian.
I had to change my restrictor ring twice - You may put in a 1.2 bar ring but it won't necessarilly do that as all cars are different....My car was making 1 bar with both cats in and no boost controllers!
Ro
terribleturner
06-12-05, 13:02
My graphs and some pictures from the day. I'll email Charlie later with that link and see what he recons. I know he has tried and tested alot when it comes to the auto to get it right.
Terry's car was awesome, gotta love the sound of a single going flat out!
Sorry mate, missed this, thanks, I did a flyby for you if you heard it.
Yeah i think most of us heard it Terry! :)
Suprasteve
06-12-05, 14:43
Here you go mate (one in rwhp, 338.7), the others have flywheel (405.3) All at 1.15 bar
we have very similar graphs but yours is kicking out a little more power.
:woot:
My Dyno Plots from sunday...
Bit dissappointed as the car is
Overfuelling compared to before.
Also it isn't sustaining boost
Doesnt hit 1.2bar as it should
One the plus side...
Still sounds awesome
and I've got bags more of torque early on.
changes.....since last time...car now has an Apexi AVC-R and I got it tuned...and its got HKS iridiums as supposed to NGK Platinums before.
Sorry mate, missed this, thanks, I did a flyby for you if you heard it.
Mate, sounded like a high power Motorbike!:respekt:
we have very similar graphs but yours is kicking out a little more power.
:woot:
Hi Steve, I'm BPU with walbro pump, FSE fuel regulator and I'm Using Tesco 99 RON ("Every little Helps"!!).
Cheers,
Ro
Suprasteve
08-12-05, 09:36
Mate, sounded like a high power Motorbike!:respekt:
more like a small rocket entering earths atmosphere !
Hi Steve, I'm BPU with walbro pump, FSE fuel regulator and I'm Using Tesco 99 RON ("Every little Helps"!!).
Cheers,
Ro
it must have been the the tescos fuel, i used Sainsburys :cry:
My Dyno Plots from sunday...
Bit dissappointed as the car is
Overfuelling compared to before.
Also it isn't sustaining boost
Doesnt hit 1.2bar as it should
One the plus side...
Still sounds awesome
and I've got bags more of torque early on.
changes.....since last time...car now has an Apexi AVC-R and I got it tuned...and its got HKS iridiums as supposed to NGK Platinums before.
379BHP and adequate fueling to me looks good...should have plenty of happy miles in that car ;)
379BHP and adequate fueling to me looks good...should have plenty of happy miles in that car ;)
True, considering that its barely hitting 1 bar, the results are good. Car certainly doesnt feel slow at all. However it is overfuelling and underboosting and it seems like the apexi's are setup correctly. So not quite sure what else could be responsible for the overfuelling (regarding the boost, perhaps there is a leak somewhere) ?
True, considering that its barely hitting 1 bar, the results are good. Car certainly doesnt feel slow at all. However it is overfuelling and underboosting and it seems like the apexi's are setup correctly. So not quite sure what else could be responsible for the overfuelling (regarding the boost, perhaps there is a leak somewhere) ?
Could be a boost leak - when the ecu sees a certain voltage it just goes nuts and dumps in as much fuel as it can...it's not particularly accurate at this point as it's trying to "save" the engine.
If it's deffo supposed to be boosting higher, it wouldn't hurt to check all the little hoses for starters, the silicone stuff has a habit of tearing, personally I now use various diameter black hose from www.bsr-aerotek.com site...they also supply those coloured hex studs etc for the cam cover (i've got black ones now :) )
it must have been the the tescos fuel, i used Sainsburys :cry:
Steve, I'm no expert, your AFR looks very lean to start off with and then rich????
Maybe Alex or Terry will be able to tell you if it's ok?
Cheers,
Ro
Could be a boost leak - when the ecu sees a certain voltage it just goes nuts and dumps in as much fuel as it can...it's not particularly accurate at this point as it's trying to "save" the engine.
If it's deffo supposed to be boosting higher, it wouldn't hurt to check all the little hoses for starters, the silicone stuff has a habit of tearing, personally I now use various diameter black hose from www.bsr-aerotek.com site...they also supply those coloured hex studs etc for the cam cover (i've got black ones now :) )
Thx for that Alex. :D
Will check the hoses.
I've already ordered a new set of Hose Techniques from the states...should be here by the weekend.
one other interesting observation.
My apexi devices are reading different amounts of boost, SAFC only ever goes upto 0.84 kg/cm2 while the AVCR - has gone upto 1.05-1.15 kg/cm2 (despite being set @ 1.25).
Also the rpms that they read are sometimes out bu 20-50rpm.
And the AVCR speed reading is sometimes accurate, meaning when I am doing 30mph it reads around 50kmph, however so on the odd occasion it throws a fit and reads either the same as in mph OR even less....
I have confirmed that both are tapped into the same source.
why would this happen?
:faint:
Thx for that Alex. :D
Will check the hoses.
I've already ordered a new set of Hose Techniques from the states...should be here by the weekend.
one other interesting observation.
My apexi devices are reading different amounts of boost, SAFC only ever goes upto 0.84 kg/cm2 while the AVCR - has gone upto 1.05-1.15 kg/cm2 (despite being set @ 1.25).
Also the rpms that they read are sometimes out bu 20-50rpm.
And the AVCR speed reading is sometimes accurate, meaning when I am doing 30mph it reads around 50kmph, however so on the odd occasion it throws a fit and reads either the same as in mph OR even less....
I have confirmed that both are tapped into the same source.
why would this happen?
:faint:
Bad connection possibly? Loose one?
If they are reading different pressure's then I would instantly be looking in the area where they T in to the car to the back of the units for boost leaks!!!
Steve, I'm no expert, your AFR looks very lean to start off with and then rich????
Maybe Alex or Terry will be able to tell you if it's ok?
Cheers,
Ro
Steve's looks fine to me :) There is movement at 4-4500 but that's just to 12:1 which is safe enough
12.5:1 = Most power
11.7:1 = good power but safe.
Mate, sounded like a high power Motorbike!:respekt:
Glad you heard it
Steve, I'm no expert, your AFR looks very lean to start off with and then rich????
Maybe Alex or Terry will be able to tell you if it's ok?
Cheers,
Ro
Not sure the AFR's on the dyno are 100% accurate TBH, my gauges are reading leaner.
There is a facet to BPU cars with the fuelling acting like this depending on what boost you run. In a nutshell it is:
You run over 0.9bar of boost
You fit an FCD to stop fuel cut
The FCD holds the pressure signal at about 0.98bar
At this level of boost pressure the stock ECU runs 100% duty cycle
Therefore if you run 1.0, 1.1, or 1.2bar of boost, you still have the same amount of fuel going in (0.98bar of fuelling, 100% duty)
So you run rich at 1.0bar
So up the boost to 1.2bar and use up that extra fuel ;)
-Ian
Suprasteve
09-12-05, 11:25
Steve's looks fine to me :) There is movement at 4-4500 but that's just to 12:1 which is safe enough
12.5:1 = Most power
11.7:1 = good power but safe.
thank fukc for that !!!
cheers
Steve's looks fine to me :) There is movement at 4-4500 but that's just to 12:1 which is safe enough
12.5:1 = Most power
11.7:1 = good power but safe.
Lol. I'll shut the fook up Steve!
:blush:
if its 320 rwhp what is it at the fly wheel??, do they lose alot of power ?.
regards dan
Suprasteve
14-12-05, 17:50
if its 320 rwhp what is it at the fly wheel??, do they lose alot of power ?.
regards dan
according to Mr Rolling Road man my manual (different losses for Autos aparently):-
325 rwbhp = 392 fwbhp
....but this opens a huuuuuge can of worms don't even go there my friend.
Suprasteve
14-12-05, 17:53
Lol. I'll shut the fook up Steve!
:blush:
no worries, i instantly went grey and aged about 25 years but its ok...:p
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